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Pragmatic Leftist Theory

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The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.

Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.

This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.

If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.

Rules:

-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.

-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.

-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's not my vote they have to earn, it's the millions of people who are suffering under the current economic conditions. Telling them the maeket is better than ever while they can't make ends meet isn't going to swing any voters. Democrats need to either literally militarize against Trump or start offering tangible things to people that will help them. People know that Trump is bad, they just hope that he manages to change their situation somehow. But the Democrats dont care about working people (neither do the Republicans) and only want to help their boss/landlord.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

That's a question of strategy, and I agree entirely. Dems are not offering what they need to be offering.

My point is that "Dems need to EARN my vote" is not a morally acceptable position for any individual to take, and should not be accepted as such - it's no different than saying "Marginalized demographics need to EARN the right to survive" - with the added humiliation and helplessness of being dependent on someone else's 'performance' to earn our lives.

People know that Trump is bad,

I think you overestimate the electorate. Most Americans are not 'tuned-in' to politics.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but that's simply how politics works. I'm going to vote for the politician who's giving me the best deal. If Democrats can't do it, I'm voting for the Green Party.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"I prefer the deal for fascism that lets me pat myself on the back, over the deal against fascism" is not a very non-fascist thing to say.

[–] dumbocrat69@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Whereas "I voted for a guy who let Israel kill 50k civilians" is peak antifa