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Pragmatic Leftist Theory

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The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.

Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.

This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.

If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.

Rules:

-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.

-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.

-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.

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[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 8 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

You shouldn't have to vote for evil just because the other side is more evil. Dont get me wrong... I did and will again but I shouldn't have to and I wont fault anyone for not. I have enough people to hate already.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

"Shouldn't have to" in a just world, but we don't live in a just world. Imagine advocating, for example, for the USSR to be abandoned to the Nazis, because the USSR was also a bunch of genocidal imperialist scumbags.

Choosing the lesser evil is not morally optional if your choices are reduced to only evils.

I don't have the 'luxury' of feeling neutrally about people who've very quite possibly fucking killed me in the next few years.

[–] dumbocrat69@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

"The lesser evil" being bombing some other people. How convenient.

Let's see your opinion when "the lesser evil" is about sacrificing YOUR family

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Do you understand the concept of the trolley problem? Lmfao

[–] dumbocrat69@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 hours ago

Lmao you're desperate to compare yourself to litteral genocide victims

[–] reetmubols@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah it's better for Arabs to die

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Right, because what is happening right now is somehow better for them.

[–] dumbocrat69@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah if only the dumbocrats didn't bomb them in the first place they might have won the elections

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

lol yeah too bad they lost and now we have a sitting republican president that is still helping to facilitate the expansion of Israel and genocide of Palestinians while also making everything else worse, too. Yup, it's too bad that not voting for democrats means that something even worse happens!

"What's worse than genocide?" i hear you say.

"Genocide plus all the other atrocities we get to face now"

"There is no such thing as genocide light!!! Black and white!! Nuance doesn't exist!"

Shut your stupid fucking mouth. I have heard these arguments enough. You are actively supporting genocide in Palestine as well as domestic genocide within America, not to mention the fact that you are supporting economic hardship for people across the world.

"At least I don't support genocide-" Lol. Shut up. Yes, you do. Your actions, your inactions, the actions and inactions of the people you agree with, have lead to this situation.

So sure. Say that I support genocide. Say the democrats support genocide. I don't care what you have to say. You're a spineless idiot, and the only way I'll ever take you seriously is if you take an actually actionable step towards fixing the issue. But you never will. Instead, you'll sit around on lemmy complaining about the lesser evil while the greater evil actively kills everyone around you.

Fuck yourself.