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Blue No Matter Who?: Jeffries Slammed for 'Gutless' Refusal to Endorse Zohran Mamdani
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It's unscientific that AMAB individuals are stronger than AFAB individuals?
not for kids until they’ve hit puberty… there’s no significant muscle mass or endurance difference between males and females until after puberty hits
so yes, in context of kids sports it’s absolutely unscientific
there’s possibly a conversation to be had about teen sports BUT:
Well, yes, I did mean teen sports and previously exposed to high levels of testosterone athletes.
We know from steroid research athletes who train on steroids and come off them for tests still get a strength bonus in competition since they don't lose all the benefits the second they stop using them (because they continue training to maintain)
It's not an imagined problem. Lia Thomas ranked 554th in 200 freestyle as a male and won 500 freestyle after transition.
She only lost 4-7% from her previous times, while women on average are 10 slower than men. So she went from unremarkable to top tier. The reason is she kept more muscle from male puberty than a woman who didn't go through it would be able to train.
It's not an insurmountable lead since she didn't win every event, but someone who had better times before transition would be able to post even better times after.
well then there’s 2 parts here
adult athletes: nobody is really politically talking about this from what i can tell… the conversation is all about kids sports, because that’s the only thing that politics has any power to control
teen sports: okay, well again as i said in my post, this is a non-issue… why preemptively bar a whole class of people for an issue that just isn’t actually happening?
applies to all cases here: you seem to think transitioning is something people would just do to win a game… i really dont think that’s actually the case (and id argue your lia thomas example kinda proves that: nobody is transitioning to win, otherwise we’d see men ranked 50th, 70th, etc transitioning and winning)
so, what, you’re trans therefore you’re just not allowed to play sports any more?
but that’s not even relevant really… in the context that matters politically - kids sports - it’s absolutely an imagined problem
and if we were more accepting of people being trans without repercussions, maybe people would start transitioning before puberty and then, again, this wouldn’t be a problem… the problem here is transphobia causing people to fight against being themselves because of societal pressure
Easy solution: if you're trans and you transition after puberty, go into the open division. There is actually no such thing as men's sports.
Lia Thomas was a college athlete at the time. Why are you specifically saying kids sports? Every right wing talking point is grown "men" playing in women's sports. You're not addressing the other side's argument. Nobody ever complained about 1st graders
Swing and a miss.
Not an argument