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Codeberg: army of AI crawlers are extremely slowing us; AI crawlers learned how to solve the Anubis challenges.
(i.imgur.com)
cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/35852706
Can there be a challenge that actually does some maliciously useful compute? Like make their crawlers mine bitcoin or something.
Did you just say use the words "useful" and "bitcoin" in the same sentence? o_O
The saddest part is, we thought crypto was the biggest waste of energy ever and then the LLMs entered the chat.
At least LLMs produce something, even if it's slop, all crypto does is... What does crypto even do again?
It gives people with already too much money a way to invest by gambling without actually helping society.
for the biggest crypto investors it isn't even really gambling. they use celebrities to hype a memecoin and then rug pull and split the profits harvested from the celebrity's fans.
Monero allows you to make untraceable transactions. That can be useful.
The encryption schemes involved (or what I understand of them, at least) are pretty rad imo. That's why it interests me.
Still, it's proof of work, which is not great.
Sure, Monero is good for privacy-focused applications, but it's a fraction of the market and the larger coins aren't particularly any less tracable than virtual temporary payment cards, so Monero (and other privacy-centric coins) get overshadowed by the garbage coins.
Same with AI, where non-LLM models are having a huge impact in medicine, chemistry, space exploration and more, but because tech bros are shouting about the objectively less useful ones, it brings down the reputation of the entire industry.
Crypto does drug sales and fraud!
It also makes it's fans poorer, which at least is funny, especially since they never learn
Blockchain m8 gg
ouch. I never made that comparison, but that is on point.
Bro couldn't even bring himself to mention protein folding because that's too socialist I guess.
LLMs can't do protein folding. A specifically-trained Machine Learning model called AlphaFold did. Here's the paper.
Developing, training and fine tuning that model was a research effort led by two guys who got a Nobel for it. Alphafold can't do conversation or give you hummus recipes, it knows shit about the structure of human language but can identify patterns in the domain where it has been specifically and painstakingly trained.
It wasn't "hey chatGPT, show me how to fold a protein" is all I'm saying and the "superhuman reasoning capabilities" of current LLMs are still falling ridiculously short of much simpler problems.
The crawlers for LLM are not themselves LLMs.
Crawlers aren't LLMs; they can do arbitrary computations (whatever the target demands to access resources).
They can't bitcoin mine either, so technical feasibility wasn't the goal of my reply
You're 100% right. I just grasped at the first example I could think of where the crawlers could do free work. Yours is much better. Left is best.
Hey dipshits:
The number of mouth-breathers who think every fucking "AI" is a fucking LLM is too damn high.
AlphaFold is not a language model. It is specifically designed to predict the 3D structure of proteins, using a neural network architecture that reasons over a spatial graph of the protein's amino acids.
Fucking fart-sniffing twats.
$ ./end-rant.shI went back and added "malicious" because I knew it wasn't useful in reality. I just wanted to express the AI crawlers doing free work. But you're right, bitcoin sucks.
To be fair: it's a great tool for scamming people (think ransomware) :/
Great for money laundering.
Is it? Don't you risk losing a rather large percentage of the value.
Just by cars or something as they are much better at keeping their value. Also if somebody asks where did you get all this money from you can just point to the car and say, I sold that.
The Monero community spent a long time trying to find a "useful PoW" function. The problem is that most computations that are useful are not also easy to verify as correct. javascript optimization was one direction that got pursued pretty far.
But at the end of the day, a crypto that actually intends to withstand attacks from major governments requires a system that is decentralized, trustless, and verifiable, and the only solutions that have been found to date involve algorithms for which a GPU or even custom ASIC confers no significant advantage over a consumer-grade CPU.
Anubis does that (the computation part). You may've seen it already.
Not without making real users also mine bitcoin/avoiding the site because their performance tanked.