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moving away by any amount lessens the force of the blow. this is elementary level physics, and your arguing it really shows the sorry state of American education.
No, you're flat out wrong, the bat is moving in a rotational motion and increasing in speed as it rotates because the wielder won't be putting any stopping force until they are past the point they intend to strike. This rotational motion, where the farthest point from the fulcrum (shoulder) has the most force. Meaning if you are in range, the farther out you are, the harder you get hit. You must be able to get out of range in order for backing away to be effective, otherwise you get hit harder.
You're only correct if it's thrown, and if you're this close, it won't make a difference.
I love the word fulcrum. I dont know what it means but it's beautiful :3
It's the bit in the center that holds up the teeter totter. The axis of rotation in a lever.
In this specific case it's better to move in. Even better if the fist ends past your back.
If you want to see something funny, check the video I posted on this fight below. It’s from a different angle, a closer one.
By all means do try your "elementary physics" in real life, I beg you. Film it too if possible.
Not american btw, nor easily offended if that was the point.
I don't need to? boxing and MMA have existed for decades now, it's been recorded likely thousands of times by now. see my reply to the other guy.
in boxing, they call it rolling with the punches. even if you are hit, rolling with a punch lessens the blow of that punch when it connects.
That isn't how attacking with batons work. They come from the side because it's rotational, not linear. If they're stabbing at you, sure. But they aren't.
Call.
show me the elementary school science experiment that demonstrates whatever unspecified physical principle you pointedly didn't refer to
it's 2025, and people on Lemmy are asking why stealing the velocity of an object over time reduces its momentum.
I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. if you really are interested in impulse-momentum theorem, watch a video on how seatbelts, air bags, and crumple zones protect you when you get into a car accident.
I'm routinely surprised by just how confidentiality wrong a lot of Lemmy users are about pretty basic things. Like at least on reddit, those people would get corrected and buried in most sane boards at least, but here there seems to be an abundance of those who just want to be incorrect about dumb shit
shh it's a secret, he said confidently.
A Phone autoincorrect is different from a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work.
So you fundamentally misunderstand how the autocorrect works, because you blindly trust it.
I was swipe typing and didn't reread what I wrote. Because it wasn't with the effort. You're trying to read a lot more into this than there is. It's kind of pathetic. Run along now
Wow, so many fancy words... how about angular momentum?
And including the length of the baton and the radius of the trajectory?
Is the impact stronger if hit near the base of the baton or its extremity?
Please, get someone to hit you with one under these scenarios, you know, for science.
it's OK to just admit you don't know and were wrong. it doesn't make you less of a person. this comment didn't even argue anything, you're just dragging the conversation out because you don't have a good response, but want to get the last word in.
So if an object in motion with the force of 1 newton hits an object at rest that's 1 newton of force applied, yes? Now if the object instead hits an object also in motion with 0.5 newton, will the first object hit it with 1 or 0.5 newton?
I asked for the experiment or the name of the physical principle. edit: because he specifically said they teach this in elementary school... I didn't just pull that out of a hat... also they don't teach impulse-momentum theory in elementary school...
since you're just asking questions, it's called impulse-momentum theorem. if you apply enough force to an object in motion over a long enough period of time, you reduce its momentum.
if you had fast enough reflexes, you could stop a punch to the head without it harming you by moving away from it at nearly the speed it was approaching you. while no human can reliably do that, moving away from any blow reduces the force of that blow by an amount that is measurable.
this is why funding education is so important, people. this is a simple concept that anyone should understand.
I'm not just asking questions I'm trying to show your claim to be false by insisting you explain yourself fully. Now that you've explained yourself I can explain how you're wrong which I couldn't do when you were arguing by insult and implication.
Your claim is dependent on a linear force application when in fact the picture makes it clear the relevant force is rotational. Higher forces occur at the tip of a swinging bat.
Well one, the baton wasn’t being swung, it was being brought down, and two, the protestor was moving away from the direction of the tip and towards the ground.
Oh. The baton being brought down on the guy wasn't being swung. That's what it is. Must just be my lying fucking eyes and personal experience with swinging things overhand ig.
Hey, just asking questions now, are you a product of the american education system?
your argument was that mine was wrong because the baton is being swung with rotational force instead of linear force. the baton was brought straight downwards. is that rotational energy, or linear?
regardless, you would be wrong anyway, because hooks are rotational and boxers still move away from them to lessen their force. I'm going to accept the decades of practical experience they have over the opinions on how physics works from some random person on Lemmy.
Yeah and that was not the answer you got but an example. Do you follow why the baton would not hit as hard if you moved away? 😄
Impulse.