Israel literally gave Gaza back, they could have made massive improvements to their society, decided to give up on genociding Israel and instead went full diplomacy

Now they're left crying in pictures to rally green haired inner city left wing hippies after brutally raping and jihading their way across Israel on Oct 7th while continuing to not return hostages and fire rockets at Israel and behead/torture dissidents who don't agree with the Hamas regime

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, i see the pattern, you go back to familiar online arguments every time i make a point about your specific stance or comments about the topic at hand that you have trouble arguing against.

Be honest with yourself you aren't debating these issues from a position of fairness.

Israel literally gave Gaza back...

Then proceeded to squeeze the population by increasingly controlling utilities and other connections with the outside world, and contrive to support Hamas and undermine Palestinian statehood, Times of Israel.

I could go on, blah, blah, early 1900's zionist program, Nakba, Israeli settler terrorists, etc and help you expand the scope right out until the original issues being discussed are lost in the argument.

Or,

We could agree that ABC article you cited and lambasted was actually fine, after all it was a report about a protest, interviewing protesters

Your complaints they didn't go and find some Hamas official, down at their Hamas Civil Discourse Media Centre, (which totally exists), lazily ignores the rights and voices of the Palestinian people at that protest.

Undermining these people, undermines any cause for peace, if you, or I, or anyone else want to see peace, these are the voices we need to lift up and protect. And stop dividing to rule.

I don't disagree with much of your last statement, Oct 7th also had crimes against humanity, Hamas have been bad actors. This is being fair minded.

The phrase 'seeing the wood for the trees' comes to mind here. As in not all Palestinians deserve to be treated as if they're torturers or war criminals, just like not all Israeli's, but some on both sides certainly do.

Also, the semi-rural purple nailed alt-goths are really unhappy you left them out of that last statement. Their hair not green enough? For shame!

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

and contrive to support Hamas and undermine Palestinian statehood, Times of Israel.

Why do you treat the Palestinians like infants?

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

Support for the attack on October 7: Once again, findings show decline in the overall support for the October 7 Hamas offensive. The decline is seen in both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It is important to note that support for this attack does not necessarily mean support for Hamas and does not mean support for any killings or atrocities committed against civilians. Indeed, almost 90% of the public believes Hamas men did not commit the atrocities depicted in videos taken on that day.

Delusional support for Hamas

Anti-Hamas demonstrations in the Gaza Strip: Gazans are split almost in the middle for and against the recent anti-Hamas demonstrations in the Gaza Strip. Nonetheless, most Gazans think the demonstrations are driven and motivated by outside hands.

Ah yes it must be the west organising these protests, they don't even support their own people.

If they could only kill all the infidels like you and me then the world would only have the religion of peace and everything would be fine

and on the topic of the big bad evil genocidal Israel

Trump’s and Israeli calls for displacing Gazans: While the majority says it does not want to leave the Gaza Strip after the war ends, a large minority wants to do that. Similarly, about half of Gazans are willing to apply to Israel to help them emigrate to other countries via Israeli ports and airports.

Can you imagine half of Jews wanting to go to Nazi Germany? Or half of Tutsi's willing to go to Rwanda ? This is the worst genocide ever 😂

This is why they don't interview Hamas and instead stick to Hamas approved propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAva9VM38uA

Also, the semi-rural purple nailed alt-goths are really unhappy you left them out of that last statement. Their hair not green enough? For shame!

alt-goths are cool they can stay, even if their opinion is wrong 😂

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love it how i make points and you casually ignore them, or deflect them then run back to your talking points.

Not gona address Israeli support for Hamas as a strategy; not gona address the fact that you're initial point about an article focused on a protest didn't need to run and ask some Hamas bloke their opinion; did you make that post about Sudan yet? It is am important issue, i don't want you forget.

... My bad, you did address the goths point, i'll make sure to pass it on to the Goth Public Discourse Agency, which is totally a thing.

Tutsi's still live in Rwanda, took me a second to look that up. Your arguments, as usual, stray into off topic and nonsensical comparisons. Its almost like you don't care, as long as the Israeli propaganda line is pushed.

Your big gotcha of this comment doesn't make sense in todays debate between us. I never claimed there was no/little Palestinian support for Hamas, i said the protesters should be listened to, and you continue to ignore them by refering to support for Hamas.

Talk about treating Palestinians like infants, try listening to them when they protest. I guess we only treat them like infants when it suits Israel, hey?

Speaking of infants, maybe we should treat the Gaza strip like there are infants there? And allow in enough aid so infants don't starve or worse to death?

Nope, you've flipped me! Its time to start treating the Gaza strip like we would an infant, protect them, feed them, clothe them house them, educate them, and watch them grow!

Ikt you're right we need to start treating Gazans like we would our infants! I've had a revelation today! Somebody call the hippies and goths! They have protest signs to make!

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nope, you’ve flipped me! Its time to start treating the Gaza strip like we would an infant, protect them, feed them, clothe them house them, educate them, and watch them grow!

Funnily enough that's what Europe tried to do, it figured they can suckle on the teat of our welfare states, with food, education, no wars, they can grow up big and strong and contribute to society like regular normal westerners !

As anti-immigrant sentiment surges in Europe, under-threat leaders are embracing formerly taboo approaches to their borders.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-eu-migration-policy-viktor-orban-muslims-ban/

... the EU collective has shifted from the “we can do it” stance of former German Chancellor Angela Merkel to trying to shoo new arrivals away from the EU border altogether.

Oh dear

It's almost like when you have to live next to them your opinion changes 😂

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Decide to go full mask off with this one? 😄 Or have i got the wrong Tampa?

Love it how we've now crossed the Mediterranean, as well as now 'Muslims bad, especially if their you're neighbour' or is it undocumented immigrants? Does it matter?

We apparently started this debate over an article on a protest in Gaza, which is in Asia by the way, which you still don't seem to want to address anymore. What happened to the protesters not being good enough to interview? Or the lackbof Hamas interviewees?

But hey i'm from Perth, so i love goin on a Continental roll! Badumtisch!

On you go with your new, and even more string-bare tangent. But don't forget to post more about Sudan, i know how important it is to you. And, if you make any demographic claims, be sure to double check them before you post, that Tutsi one fell flatter than a pancake.

This green haired, orange tailed, purple polkadotted umie killa is off to bed. Nighty night Ikt.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Decide to go full mask off with this one? 😄 Or have i got the wrong Tampa?

? What is Tampa?

What happened to the protesters not being good enough to interview? Or the lackbof Hamas interviewees?

Nothing changed, I replied here:

This is why they don’t interview Hamas and instead stick to Hamas approved propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAva9VM38uA

Here's the latest on the ABC homepage right now:

These pictures make for a great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

But again no word from the government of Palestine

They're the only government that is apparently not worth talking to despite the fact they're the ones causing all this (with Palestinian support).

Every day Russian government and Ukraine government interviewed, in Palestine/Israel war, it's only Israel that is pressed, honestly with how absent Hamas is you'd think Israel is just fighting civilians...oh wait 😜

This green haired, orange tailed, purple polkadotted umie killa is off to bed. Nighty night Ikt.

Nights!