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Who's job is it to care for children?
Everyone's. Because they're children.
Including the bourgeoisie?
Children aren't bourgeoisie, they're children.
I think can find you people from history who man disagree
Who cares about history? This is 2023. People in history would disagree with people today about slavery and marital rape too. Should we reconsider allowing those things?
Spicy take incoming, "history has nothing to teach us"
Okay, what does history have to teach us about feeding children? When does history say "don't feed children?" Go for it.
The wives and children of those arrested and executed were dealt with by the NKVD Order No. 00486. The women were sentenced to forced labour for 5 or 10 years.[77] Their minor children were put in orphanages. All possessions were confiscated. Extended families were purposely left with nothing to live on, which usually sealed their fate as well, affecting up to 200,000–250,000 people of Polish background depending on the size of their families.[77] The NKVD national operations were conducted on a quota system using album procedure. The officials were mandated to arrest and execute a specific number of so-called "counter-revolutionaries", compiled by administration using various statistics but also telephone books with names sounding non-Russian.[78]
Sorry... how is that an argument to not feed children? That sounds like a bad thing. Are you actually arguing that is good?
If you recall, we were talking about warnings from history. These children were not being fed, their bourgeois parents were being evicted sent to gulags and exterminated for owning a typewriter or a horse or something.
You said children were not bourgeois this is a lesson about the children of the "bourgeois"
That doesn't make the children themselves bourgeois. They have no control over the money or the circumstances under which they were born.
And, again, let's see your historical argument for not feeding children.
They don't have one, they're just a shitty little troll. They say the government shouldn't be feeding people, then say they aren't against free school lunches, because their only goal is to piss people off
I bet as they were being placed in to orphanages or starving with their mums they were thinking well this is very unfair we're not the "bourgeoisie"
Has it happens neither with their debt but the state of the USSR didn't seem to mind.
I can give you the example of present day where I live all children where I live get free school meals up to age 6. I don't need them I can afford to buy my own kids meals as can all the other parents at my school more or less, but we have no choice. Does that sound sensible to you?
For the record I am in favor of feeding needy children as I have said before but perhaps not to you
(I'm using voice to text it's a bit spotty)
No, they didn't know what 'bourgeoisie' meant because, and I can't stress this enough, THEY WERE CHILDREN. They didn't do anything to deserve that.
Jesus, why are you tarring children with the "crimes" of their parents?
"Crimes". Holy crap. TANKIE, WE HAVE A TANKIE OVER HERE.
Should I go to the gulag?
What are you even talking about? I'm not a tankie and you're the one using the actions of the USSR to say that children are bourgeois and don't deserve to be fed, which, I don't know, sounds kind of like something a tankie would say.
Yet again- Children are not bourgeois. And I put the word crimes in quotation marks. Do you really not know what it means when people do that? Do I really have to clarify that to you? Are you that illiterate?
And yes, we are having a discussion about the past. A discussion you implied would justify not feeding children. You have yet to do that.
I know. Neither were their parents. The people in charge thought they were, which I think was my point.
My lesson form history is what happens when you start labelling people in to groups and then treating them very badly based on group identity.
I started taking about this because you said children can't be bourgeois, which I agree with, but that didn't ultimately matter . Which is my "lesson from history".
We are taking about this because you wanted an example of what happened to bourgeois children who at least the children of the bourgeoisie, which is a lesson from history.
Hearing we have a caution retail about treating people badly based on group identity. Do you agree that is a useful lesson from history?
What does that have to do with feeding children? Did you forget what this post was about or something?
Well… it’s okay if you don’t want the job. Because I wouldn’t let you near any kids I might have if you actually have to ask that in context of free meals for kids whose only meal comes at school.
I care for my children. Who do you think should be doing it?
It’s this precise lack of empathy that, in my eyes, disqualifies you from caring for other’s kids.
I mean, what kind of person says “we shouldn’t feed starving kids”? Like seriously. That’s what you’re arguing here.
You take care of your own? Congratulations. Want a participation trophy? I think I can spare a bottle cap or something. Too bad they’re no longer shiny…
I am fine with "feeding starving children". It's feeding the children of wealthy people that I bridle at
What makes you think I want praise for raising my kids? It's my job. That's my point
Yes. Fuck over starving not-rich-kids whose only meal of the day comes from free school lunch programs- because a rich kid “might” get a free lunch.
* golf clap * Impressive display of empathy there. Oh and by the way… you’re generally wrong about whose getting free lunches. So you’re fucking starving kids over … because of propaganda.
I couldn't give a flying fuck who thinks I'm empathetic.
Virtue signalling may be your bag (I'm sure you hold all the correct opinions), but I don't care.
Not a rich kid "might get a school lunch", you ignoramus. The majority of people don't need free lunches why are we buying them for them.
People. Society really.
What's the old adage? It takes a village to raise a child?
As a father of a young child, there is no fucking way that one or two parents can meet all of the child's development needs. You need everything from Farmers to grow food, teachers to teach, doctors to medicine, grandparents to grandparent, and they need peers and other people to interact with. Every one of those people plays a role, some more important than others.
Ok, parents and grandparents granted, but I don't think farmers are raising children. I don't really want teachers raising my children I want them to teach my children.
I think the village to raise a child adage is very much in the dustbin. Once upon a time that would literally be the case and the food would also come from the farmers of the village so it would be quite a different dynamic.
I wish there was more of a community and we could jointly aid in the support of children certainly where I live that is not the case.
Ultimately it is the parent's job to raise the children, and it's the parents job to select who the child comes in contact with.
And if the parents are unable to raise the children properly, then the children should just starve?
As a parent of a young child, you're completely delusional if you think parents are in complete control of every person that a child comes into contact with.
Just at my kids school there are probably 250 staff members including teachers and administrative staff who come into contact with the kids on a daily basis. I have zero influence on that!
This doesn't even touch on mass media in the internet which have a huge impact on not just children, but people like yourself. You yourself are interacting with people on the internet whom you know nothing about.