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"Peacekeeping troops". 😅
They're being deployed to defend a sovereign nation from invasion, I don't know what else you would consider "peacekeeping"
"3 day special operation". 😅
They never specified how long these days were gonna be! 🙃
What? Lil bro lives in another dimension
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The russians are getting worried, you can clearly see this by their recent uprise in bot activity
I don't doubt that one bit!
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Russia is pouring the entire future of its nation-state into keeping Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, so, I think it's probably inevitable at this point given how little international support Ukraine has by now.
Why wouldn't you need troops to stand at that border and make sure that Russia can't just regroup and invade again in 6 years? Wouldn't you call that 'Peacekeeping'?
I thought they were making fun of the idea of sending peacekeepers to break up a rabid animal attacking something. Like what's next: negotiating with wild fires? Russia is going to take stabs at their neighbors, you need to send in bullies that will slap them down and keep them in check.
I didn't think to imagine someone backing up Russia. You know, considering it's Russia.
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
"Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
Yeah, another great latin phrase…
Because if it’s Latin there must be meaning beyond meaning.
I wonder whether you read the linked article. Cause, wouldn’t you be embarrassed to use it then? A phrase from the late, late Roman empire, that the terrific idea obviously didn’t prevent from falling, largely in use in humanistic imperial societies, even manufacturing guns referencing the phrase, doesn’t make you pause?
Sure, lets throw all our weapons away and tell Putin to pretty please don't invade us... again. /s
I use the phrase because it I find it relevant in times like this, and yes I read the article, I actually first thought that it was Patton who coined the phrase "If you want peace, prepare for war", so that's why I linked the wiki.
of course you’d find it relevant, because you’ve been reading it over and over
Very telling that it's a Latin saying, lol. I wanna make peace with the living, not the dead!
well the russians view themselves as the third roman empire. putin is on justinian's mad quest to reclaim his empire's ancient capital. putin wants to be czar, but one of the aspects of being czar going back to ~800 years ago is holding the home of the Kievan Rus: Kyiv. just as the romans would not stop their outward expansion until confronted with the force to stop them, neither will the russians.
NATO has basically been on the same path since its conception (check the Nazis that ended up in NATO high command!), but of course, two wrongs don't make a right.
Who has NATO invaded?
Serbia but that was a good thing
Yugoslavia
While technically true, would you put that on the same level as Russia invading Ukraine?
Kinda. Both are imperialist actions. Both try to jpstify their imperialism with "defending" someone.
Did NATO not bomb Yugoslavia to stop an ethnic cleansing? The bombing campaign lasted 2.5 months, and as far as I'm aware, Yugoslavia was not occupied during or after this time.
Russia, on the other hand, is attacking and invading Ukraine (again), occupying and looting parts of the country, targeting and murdering civilians. The current "special operation" has gone on for almost 3 years, with no end in sight.
I find it hard to believe that anyone could find those two scenarios comparable.
Russia claims that it's stopping a genocide. Not claiming that they are correct. just that in every invasion in the history of the world the agressor had a justification ready of defending themselves or some weak ally.
I don't see how the length of a war has anything to do with the justifications of the invasion. Russia didn't have the military force to reach their goals against Ukraine which received aide from the west. Yugoslavia was in a significantly worse position against NATO without any allies that could help them significantly. How does that justify the invasion of NATO?
You asked for a comparable scenario and received an answer. Now you're trying to no-true-schotsman yourself out of your premise. Just stop.
Not really, I'm just still waiting for a comparable example.
sounds to me like we should lend aid to the indigenous people fighting to protect themselves from imperial expansionism. just like in Palestine and Africa
You're right, but I feel like it's a bit more complicated than "NATO good, Russia bad", geopolitically speaking.
and you will note i have not said that.