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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
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Lol I literally told these folks, something like 15 years ago, that paying to elevate a random nobody like Yudkowsky as the premier “ai risk” researcher, in so much that there is any AI risk, would only increase it.
Boy did I end up more right on that than my most extreme imagination. All the moron has accomplished in life was helping these guys raise cash due to all his hype about how powerful the AI would be.
The billionaires who listened are spending hundreds of billions of dollars - soon to be trillions, if not already - on trying to prove Yudkowsky right by having an AI kill everyone. They literally tout “our product might kill everyone, idk” to raise even more cash. The only saving grace is that it is dumb as fuck and will only make the world a slightly worse place.
Given they're going out of their way to cause as much damage as possible (throwing billions into the AI money pit, boiling oceans of water and generating tons of CO~2~, looting the commons through Biblical levels of plagiarism, and destroying the commons by flooding the zone with AI-generated shit), they're arguably en route to proving Yud right in the dumbest way possible.
Not by creating a genuine AGI that turns malevolent and kills everyone, but in destroying the foundations of civilization and making the world damn-nigh uninhabitable.
Given they're going out of their way to cause as much damage as possible (throwing billions into the AI money pit, boiling oceans of water and generating tons of CO~2~, looting the commons through Biblical levels of plagiarism, and destroying the commons by flooding the zone with AI-generated shit), they're arguably en route to proving Yud right in the dumbest way possible.
Not by creating a genuine AGI that turns malevolent and kills everyone, but in destroying the foundations of civilization and making the world damn-nigh uninhabitable.
Consider, however, the importance of building the omnicidal AI God before the Chinese.
some UN-associated ACM talk I was listening to recently had someone cite a number at (iirc) ~~$1.5tn total estimated investment~~ $800b[0]. haven't gotten to fact-check it but there's a number of parts of that talk I wish to write up and make more known
one of the people in it made some entirely AGI-pilled comments, and it's quite concerning
this talk; looks like video is finally up on youtube too (at the time I yanked it by pcap-ing a zoom playout session - turns out zoom recordings are hella aggressive about not being shared)
the question I asked was:
response is about here
[0] edited for correctness; forget where I saw the >$1.5t number
Yeah a new form of apologism that I started seeing online is “this isn’t a bubble! Nobody expects an AGI, its just Sam Altman, it will all pay off nicely from 20 million software developers worldwide spending a few grand a year each”.
Which is next level idiotic, besides the numbers just not adding up. There’s only so much open source to plagiarize. It is a very niche activity! It’ll plateau and then a few months later tiny single GPU models catch up to this river boiling shit.
The answer to that has always been the singularity bullshit where the biggest models just keep staying ahead by such a large factor nobody uses the small ones.
hearing him respond like that in real time and carefully avoiding the point makes clear the attraction of ChatGPT