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I know Walz/Harris was impossible given the Biden lead-up and Harris running the show after, but if Walz was the ticket leader I think Trump would have lost.
Trump is a dark triad personality wearing a working-man's death mask, and his base sees it and marvels at how "real" he is. But Walz knows how to actually be real, actually communicate like a regular guy, and is just good in the way middle America likes to imagine itself.
His Harris campaign bounce following "weird" would likely have held the swing state firewall, until Harris decided she wanted to bring in Liz Cheney and put a muzzle on Walz to not offend (or inspire) anyone. Given our poor Democrat name recognition options (Harris, Newsom...Jefferies?), maybe Walz is our best hope, if we somehow make it to a fair election in 2028.
Setting aside the fact that he's got more charisma than a tree stump, he's also a middle aged white guy in a country that reflexively defers to that kind of person.
I don't think Walz solves for Trump's biggest advantage - Silicon Valley broke for him and turned social media fully against the Democratic Party. He would have done less bad than Harris, particularly in the Midwest. But winning? Idk, still feels like a coin toss to me. He's not flipping Arizona or Georgia like Biden managed.
Hard disagree on the AZ front. The heelturn parading around Liz Cheney resulted in waaaaay too many "SEE THEY'RE THE SAME" protest votes or people staying at home.
Cuddling up to Cheney was party of Harris's effort to look like a Never Trumper.
She thought it would differentiate her and she got very upset when people accused her of looking like a Republican as a result.
I voted for Harris because of Walz. If she had picked another wallpaper running mate like Tim Kaine it would have been a lot harder.
For real?
It's just that hard to actively trust fascism or what?!
For real, I had major, major issues with Harris, she was an awful candidate and had it literally been anyone but Trump I would not have voted for her:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233375207.html
ACAB - Including (especially?) Harris.
Walz put her over the top for me.
Yeah, she's an authoritarian cunt.
Still, wasn't hard to care against Mango Mussolini.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Liberals keep saying this, because they weren't out in the trenches stumping for Harris while getting actively spit on.
Like, this isn't just a matter of voting. It's a matter of staffing campaign offices and galvanizing low info voters in Midwestern swing states.
Who is going to canvas the neighborhoods once you've told all those Penn State freshman with Bernie Sanders bumper stickers and watermelon flags to fuck off? Who is going to phone bank? Who is going to knock doors and host rallies?
Harris shed fifteen million votes in no small part because she told her activist party base she didn't need them to win.
Bullshit. They rigged the machines in the swing states to switch Harris for Trump. That's how we ended up with MILLIONS of straight Dem tickets with Trump at the top, even though we've never heard from a single voter who voted that way.
Where are these diehard Dems who vote for Trump? Or Trumpers who vote all Dem? They don't exist, the election was rigged.
And we all know it. Without the White House, he'd be sitting in prison for the rest of his life right now. The guy's entire life is defined by cheating in every possible way, but now we're supposed to believe that the one election that would keep him out of prison, is the one election he ran "fair & square?"
Any Dem who believes that is as deluded as any MAGA.
That's a big claim. I'm confident you have some big evidence to explain how Biden won in 2020 with similarly rigged machines?
We didn't have millions of straight Dem tickets with Trump at the top. We had millions of tickets with only Trump selected and the downballot ignored.
Trump votes outnumbers a bunch of downticket winners, particularly in the purple swing states (Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania). North Carolina was a peculiar case, in which the Dem Governor outran Harris by 300k votes while Trump outran his GOP Gov candidate by 600k votes.
A bunch of these races just highlighted how big a disparity was between Trump and the rest of the GOP versus Harris and the rest of the Dems. He was unusually popular. She was unusually intolerable.
If only there had been a four year span during which he might have been prosecuted. Ah well.
There has never been any evidence that Biden rigged the 2020 election. If you have a source outside of the Conservative Propaganda Machine, cite it, or STFU.
Besides even if it were true, that doesn't give Trump permission to rig the next election. Didn't your Mama teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? Of course she didn't, she's a terrible mother, who raised a MAGA Nazi Traitor, and is probably one herself.
If Trump has been rigging the elections, how did he win in 2016 under a Democrat and then lose in 2020 as an incumbent and then win in 2024 again under another Democrat?
You claimed Trump won 2024 by rigging the election. I'm asking why he lost in 2020 if he had the power to rig elections, but won in 2024 when he lacked that power.
No one has been more loyal to the institutions of American power than Donald J. Trump. He's as big a corporate whore and slave to the US military industrial complex as has ever held the office.
He lost in 2020 because he is an incompetent moron who can't do anything right, combined with the fact that America came out by the millions to vote against him. The wave was so big that his pathetic attempts at cheating were overwhelmed.
But by 2024, they'd had 4 years to prepare, get the Russians involved, and bring in Musk and his team. Add to that the fact that many, many Americans were disgusted by Biden's (and the rest of the Dems) lack of resolve to prosecute the MAGA traitors. So there wasn't the giant wave to overwhelm a much more competent cheating attempt.
This all seems like you're just spitballing explanations that strike you as plausible, without any actual evidence to back it up.
Both Trump and Musk had multiple private meetings with Putin between 2020 and 2024. Is it plausible that the subject of "guaranteeing" the 2024 election didn't come up?
Is it that hard to believe that the two biggest foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs would team up with the biggest traitor in American history, with the objective of looting America for everything it has? None of them have any sense of loyalty or patriotism to America, and see it only as a fat, lazy, RICH target to be exploited. Of course their first step would be to secure the election, by any means necessary. The alternative is to believe that those three have the moral integrity to rely on a fair election. Which is more likely?
Either we choose to believe that, or we choose to believe that Trump only has the best interests of America in mind.
No. It isn't.
You're not engaging seriously. You're just spouting exaggerations and scaring yourself.
The three biggest threats to a democratic world, and you don't think they're plotting anything. Just the thought of it is "implausible" to you.
It's right in front of your face. They're doing it right in front of your face.
And laughing at you.
Dusting off an Adam Sandler bit from the 1990s and trying to land it as a killer Gotcha.
Except this is real life. And what I said is still true.
Yeah, when she nominated Walz I was like "Oh, thank god!"
"thank god I can vote against the Nazi now, him being a Nazi wasn't enough"
No shit. I'd have crawled across glass to vote for Harris. Fuck Trump and stop blaming Biden for people supporting that nazi ass bitch.
Not if the alternate was solely a Nazi in sheeps clothing.
Same problem as Clinton, really. If either Clinton or Harris had been elected, we never would have known where the bottom was, they're better at hiding it than Trump.
Marginally better than Trump is a low fucking bar, but no other viable alternatives so...
What?! Have I hit my head and gone into an alternate dimension?
Don't worry, they'll do some mental gymnastics to assure you that Harris was somehow just as bad.
Usually walking back to Palestine. Like, we get, it but the current regime was understood to be worse for everyone, including Palestine.
Edit: https://i.imgur.com/2EPlkhf.png
Oh, for sure. I mean, the lemming I replied to is quite infamous... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It was really hard to vote for a woman and not an fascist dictatorship
Edit: Sorry, black woman... because sexism isn't enough, you got to be racist also
What if I told you Harris has a fascist track record?
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233375207.html
ACAB - Including Harris.
What if I told you they are all fucking terrible people? But somehow, for a majority of it, they follow the laws set forth before them... at least they have been pretending. Until trump, none of them decided to wage war by sending military troops to states in the country they are supposedly leading...
Do you know what acab means? I'm not sure what that has to do with any of it...
Harris, as CA AG, was the top of the ACAB ladder.
Go look it up... it has a very specific meaning... its in the name
Yes and take a wild guess who runs the cops.
https://blueprint.ucla.edu/feature/kamala-harris-california-top-cop/
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/29/kamala-harris-california-criminal-justice-00171490
https://capitalbnews.org/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record/
You do know what the AG does, right?
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/state/2024/08/09/kamala-harris-attorney-general-california-top-cop-law-enforcement-officer/74509793007/
ACAB.
Yes they are legal advisors...
LOL - Somebody should have told her:
https://youtu.be/7oFu2pNnRIc
https://oag.ca.gov/office
Just because your a Law enforcement official, doesn't mean your a cop... they are not the same thing.,.,.
Again, tell her. She chose to embrace the title "Top Cop".
It's like if you were to go around calling yourself smart... you can say it all you want, but does that make it true? No
How does that make sense? There is not a single thing that could have happened to make me even CONSIDER voting for Trump. Harris could have chosen a shit-flinging gibbon, and I would voted for her.
I mean, if Harris could have found it within herself to "actually be real" and fire the dipshit advisors telling her to obsessively triangulate on nonexistent conservative swing voters, she could've won too -- even without switching around the ticket.
I'd support him. I've always liked Minnesota Democrats.
Narrator: They didn't.
I disagree. Walz/harris/biden were all bandaids to the root cause. The direction of the us now was inevitable - whether it was done now or 4 years from now or 8. And maybe on some level we got lucky with t, he’s a lot of things but a genius he is not. In any case, the bandaid has been ripped off and perhaps in 50 years the us will actually support its citizens. We just need to survive until then…
Exactly, what made the democratic party think a biracial woman was a good candidate against Trump of all people, like clearly the country is not ready for that, all they needed was another old white guy and they just handed Trump the election instead
Hillary won the popular vote, and Obama was one of our most popular presidents. While yes, sexism and racism played a role in Harris' failure, it wasn't the main problem. Her being a terrible politician, running a terrible campaign, on the coat-tails of a terrible president was the main problem.
Hilary is a white woman, Obama first ran in 2008 which was a very different America, and his opponents were still sane people. Kamla was running against a second term Trump, everyone knows how crazy some people in this country have become the last few years, she was a bad choice regardless of her politics or Biden's performance.