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[–] benfell@infosec.exchange 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

@ValueSubtracted @cybervseas

By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don't mean to defend this, but I'm guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm, I don't know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to "match" TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period "Voyager"...

[–] benfell@infosec.exchange 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

@ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don't recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I'm an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era--I might not notice.

[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Seven of Nine's suit was painted on

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago

Yeah if they hadn't struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I definitely noticed that.

I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B'elana was mostly just angry.

[–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 4 points 7 hours ago

I read B'elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn't always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg.

Plus ofc Janeway + B'elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women.

But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

B’elana was mostly just angry.

I don't remember shit about B'elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except :

  • Janeway : Hardass
  • Doctor : fun guy
  • Tuvok : generic serious vulcan
  • Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly
  • Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat

B'elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn't known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

True enough.

7 and the EMH we're the best characters in the show, IMHO.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

But what about Kess?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p