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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 30 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Enterprise was ridiculously "Tits out for the boys" and it was a really weird direction to go after Voyager. Like Enterprise had some dumb dumb shit, frat boy type stuff.

Characters in their underwear for quarantine, women's shirts slipping off because they were crawling around in the vent system. Stuff that didn't make sense and was played for Scooby Doo style laughs.

It's all part of why it's bad.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 15 points 15 hours ago

I feel it necessary to mention that gem of storytelling called "Huh huh huh ur a dude and ur preggers huh huh huh".

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

did you somehow forget 7 of 9?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Whose whole character arc is about the female trauma of losing control of ones body and having it occasionally violated?...

....with a large dose of how to connect with your mother figures, even when one is being a bit of a Borg queen?

No, I didn't forget, and it's great that Voyager hit some gender specific trauma stuff consistently with 7 of 9.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

That may be how it turned out in the end, but that story arc is absolutely not why 7 of 9 was added as a character on the show.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Even with the backroom politics of 90s TV, they still cooked with the ingredients they were given.

Where as Enterprise thinks of its self as (according to the article) "a man’s man’s Star Trek"... and seems scared of the Me Too movement.

So yeah Voyager played the hand they were dealt, and surpassed Enterprise by far.

[–] Nico_198X@europe.pub 6 points 9 hours ago

you and @baines@lemmy.cafe are correct, though i consider that part of the triumph of 7. the writing and acting elevated that character way beyond the box they tried to put her in.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

she didn’t need to look like that to carry that message

please don’t pretend the point was sexy first

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

How many nip slips did 7 of 9 have?

Jeri Ryan is just a good looking actress and spandex are very scifi.

Not that I think going straight to the source will sway you, but...

Brannon Braga:

It was late, but I was so excited [...] He [Rick Berman] really liked the idea but he had the stroke of genius, 'Make it a Borg babe.'

Jeri Ryan:

I knew exactly what I was in for when I had my first costume fitting. Clearly my character was added to the show for sex appeal, which remains the one way to get attention very quickly. I don't think it's the only way to get viewers to watch strong women, but it worked.

So no, "spandex are very scifi" doesn't hold a lot of water in this case.