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Can we not make joke about Monica? She got horribly treated by the public while he is the only one who should have been punished.
She is fighting bullying and she is pretty cool for that.
Agreed. Poor woman basically had to flee to the UK and go into hiding. She's been surprisingly resilient, all things considered.
Neither of them should have been punished? The joke is that America lost its goddamnmotherfucking mind over this. America is the joke.
Neither of them should've been punished? He was her boss, and decades older than her. He should've kept his pants zipped up.
DNC types get super cagey when you admit that Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer who was in an extreme power imbalance relationship with a woman in her 20's.
I'm glad the party is willingly offering him up as a sacrifice to the republicans to get keep the Epstein probe going. Every time the GOP tries a burying tactic, they truss Bill up like a suckling pig, and I'm fine with that. Dude is and was a creep.
Yea it's called consent. Not every power imbalance is automatically coercive. Society should be punished for being such prudes... they'd probably find they like it.
It was the god damn president of the United States of America. That's a fucking power imbalance if I've ever heard one.
Not every power imbalance is coercive, but the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TALKING TO A 21 YEAR OLD STAFFER IS
In case you didn't consider that one
Gross, dude
She was a grown ass woman dude. This whole gen-z infantilization of 20 something year olds is ridiculous.
Like do you seriously not understand that women also find men attractive? /s
If she came out and said it was non consensual than colour me incorrect. Otherwise you're just being a prude like the rest of society that did the actual harm in this situation.
Prefrontal Cortex.
I love that you think it's a generational thing.
And you call people who call out DRASTIC POWER DYNAMICS as prudes. Dude. Do you remember being 20-22? You know she JUST got the right to drink, right? Even if there was a personal interest in Bill Clinton sexually, the dynamic makes any sexual contact inappropriate while he's her boss. Don't tell me you think all those stories of 20-something secretaries sleeping with their boss were all consensual love affairs?
How do you not realize that your exact attitude is what the GOP exploited at the expense of Monica?
If y'all grew the fuck up she'd have zipped his pants and gone on to have a normal career.
People have sex. It's a thing we do. If everyone involved is a consenting adult than you don't get a say in it.
Consent in an imbalanced power dynamic is not always recognized as consent.
Sure, the girls that Louis CK jerked off in front of didn't scream and run out of the room, but they WERE placed in an inappropriate situation with someone who held the keys to their career. And what did we as a society do? We lambasted him for being weird and not understanding that dynamic, and his career has yet to really recover. He didn't rape anybody, no, but he sure did abuse his power over those people. Are these similar situations, in your opinion?
The women with Louis CK said it was not consensual. Monica said she didn't understand how inappropriate it was, but it was consensual. That is the difference here.
To the benefit of absolutely fucking nobody; especially Monica.
Like not only did you guys embarrass yourself on the national stage, give fuel to the right wing media apparatus, subject Monica to a life of infamy, undermine the progress of your own administration; you guys accomplished fuck all for real victims of sexual violence ... or else why would you be bringing up Louis CK?
Consensual means we have no basis for demanding he stand trial for rape. Squeaking past that bar doesn't say anything good about his moral character. He should not have been impeached, but he should have been run out of the Democratic party on a rail.
It's suspicious when someone has strong opinions about consent laws. But not as suspicious as someone who'd white-knight fucking Bill Clinton because, wait for it, their concern for young adults being treated with respect.
That math doesn't add up friend. Who do you think your fooling?
lmao you sound like every time a 22 year old ever had sexual relations with a 49 year old you lost a neuron. And I don't feel bad for calling you out as stupid cuz you are grasping way harder to paint me as a predator.
Remember Gary Hart? He had to drop out of politics because of a rumor of an affair.
Meanwhile... Margaret Trudeau is doing blow with the Rolling Stones at Studio 52.
Yea cuz the majority of Canadians aren't fucking prudes lmao. I upvoted you btw
Yeah, it took me a second to realize this was another juvenile joke at her expense to make fun of Bill Clinton who has committed a whole series of much worse offenses you can take aim at without involving a woman who already got the sharp end of the media stick for far too long.
Monica got the worst part of it all.
The penis..?
Yes... but also the massive media shitshow at making her look like a giant slut who fucks her way to the top.
You. Principle's office. Now
Technically a cigar, IIRC.
This guy's sexist af, don't expect better
I think it's alright to hold both of them accountable for infidelity in a social sense. Clinton being the more responsible as the man in the marriage, but Monica knew he was married. I can't see a moral argument to not hold her accountable for this as well (again, socially, not legally). They were both adults. I don't think the age difference or power dynamic lets either of them off of the hook, even though it would make the then-President comparatively more in the wrong.
I think it's more alright to have punished Clinton for lying (under oath, right?). Even if I don't think it made sense to ask him about sexual relations, he still lied about it. I don't think there's any legal issue with what Monica did.
I'm glad she's speaking up against bullying nowadays.
I didn't follow each update on this situation while it was going on, so if you think I missed an important point that would change my mind, I'm open to considering it.
The issue here is that on Monica's side the punishment was disproportionate. She isn't some rich, powerful person who could withdraw to her ivory tower. She was 22 and made the kind of mistake 22 year olds make and that is what she gets to be known for forever. Think about a 22 year old in your life and the resources they have at their disposal. She went back to her parents place, buried herself away from the world and tried not to commit suicide as all of media took turns making jokes about her being an easy slut. Her day to day life for decades was virtually destroyed with her being barely able to form a career or new relationships. She stopped being a person and endured a prison without a cage.
Clinton got a formalized process and quietly withdrew into absurd wealth while the media by turns gave him largely a pass for being a dog once the process of getting him out of office was done.
Whatever Gods or Devils punished Lewinski they've exacted their due ages ago and kicking people who have already hit the floor hard isn't morally healthy. Nobody needs to continue to hold Lewinski accountable anymore. She served her time.
You are missing the point where a man with the most powerful position on the planet, more than twice the woman's age, made her feel special by the attention that he gave her at 22 years of age. The human brain is not fully matured until at least 25.
Having that big of a power difference and age difference is huge.
And you missed the point where he broke his promise to his wife and she broke no promise. You don't know what bill told her what his deal with Hillary was. So why judge her for a crime that she didn't commit?
Edit: I forgot to mention, as the fucking president of a country, he has the responsibility to be a role model. He should display his good "christian" morals and not break the 10 commandments.
Why should he be punished? Nothing either one of them did was illegal. It was consensual private behavior that none of us should ever have heard about.
He was her boss and the president of the usa... considering her age too... questionable behaviour.
The media should have given him shit for it.
They did.
Compared to her? Not at all.
True.
So the American public has the right to know about the president's every sexual experience?
Frankly, I don't want to know. Especially with a pervy pedophile like Trump.
Wtf??? Where did you read that?