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Is this just a throwaway joke or a ‘hidden propaganda’ joke? I’ve seen this sentiment twice on Lemmy.
Asking as an American.
A couple of years ago the previous government added restrictions to peaceful protest to say they couldn't be too disruptive.
Early this year some numptys from the group Palestinian Action broke into a military base and threw paint over military aircraft. The current government classified Palestinian Action as a terrorist group in response to this. I think the general sentiment in the UK is it's fucking stupid to break into a military base and damage equipment and it's luckily they weren't shot, however it definitely doesn't meet the criteria for terrorism. The classification is currently being challenged in court.
Meanwhile people are still free to protest the genocide in Palestine but not free to support the group Palestinian Action and so people who are going to protests with signs that say Palestinian Action are getting arrested.
Hundreds of people have been arrested since for showing support for Palestinian Action specifically. And also 1 guy for supporting Plasticine Action (Stop motion animators against AI)
The entire reason for a protest is to be too disruptive! You have to be loud and obnoxious if you want to make a change.
Fucking Brits, lol. Too polite to even protest properly.
Americans aren’t doing any better in this domain
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It's not "capitalism". It's just an ideology like Leninism. Ideologies rely on ideal conditions and circumstances to function well. When those ideologies disregard or outright neglect human nature. As both those do. They have and always will degrade and fail.
They're gonna vote for the party that started the genocide next time, and that'll fix everything.
They've leaned nothing.
Yep. A lot of people seem willing to give up their rights for a bit of convenience.
Supporting certain countries gets you arrested in the UK now.
These days, you say you're English...
Using a vpn might as well soon
The UK have no freedom of speech laws. Im also American so this is just what ive gathered from other people but apparently if you say anything in support of palestine or other topics you get arrested. Hopefully a brit chimes in.
We have 'freedom of expression' as outlined in the 1998 Human Rights Act. The HRA says that we are free to express ourselves as we see fit so long as it is within the confines of the law.
We have relatively strong hate speech laws as outlined in the 1986 Public Order Act, which makes it an offense to "[make] threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviours that causes, or is likely to cause, another person harassment, alarm or distress" and "language that encourages terrorism".
Recently a non-violent pro-Palestine, activist group (Palestine Action) was prescribed as a terrorist group, making it illegal to support any of their actions.
That's only freedom of expression for those who make the laws.
Yep
"[a law] says that we are free to express ourselves as we see fit so long as it is within the [...] law" looks like a tautology to me, is that phrasing accurate to the HRA?
It’s more that you can’t be arrested for shit that isn’t illegal simply because they don’t like you saying.
Sure they could make it illegal, but you’re at least given some time and warning.
This is very informative. I was worried, due to missing context, that it may be a consorted effort to destroy faith in their democratic protections. Say, from Russian cyber propaganda farms.
The UK government doesn't need Russia's help to destroy faith in democratic institutions.
When the equation changes from “UK > Russia”, to the other way around… let me know.
I don't know much about this activist group,
But the Wiki seems to provide information that would be counter to your 'non-violent' claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Action#Other_protests
Are these entries in the Wiki false?
Nope, but they don't describe any violence. Violence is harming PEOPLE, not damaging property.
If you think that daubing weapons of genocide with red paint is violence, let alone makes you a fucking TERRORIST, you really need to reexamine your values.
A fashion terrorist maybe.
They're not false, but they don't show the whole picture, as one paragraph seldom can.
If you are referring the action in Runcorn, of which they are said to have "stormed, scaled, and occupied" the premises of the military equipment manufacturer at 4.30am, I wouldn't say that counts as violence. I would say that violence is typically considered harm to a person or people, not windows and drones.
Did you even skim those entries?
Where is the violence? All those entries amount to vandilism and maybe criminal mischief.
To play the advocate of the devil: vandalism does meet the first definition of violence here: Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury. (Emphasis mine) It does not need to target a person.
You can say stuff in support of Palestine just fine.
You can't be in support of abspecific group called Palestine Action because they've been designated a terrorist organisation. Whether that group warrants being defined as a terrorist group based on what they've done so far (obviously there could be intelligence that the public aren't privy to) is dubious.
Palestine Action’s biggest crime is that they were effective. Their actions forced the closure of two Israeli weapons factories and forced Barclay’s Bank to divest from the manufacturer (Elbit Systems). Direct action (sabotaging the means of production that support the genocide) fucking works.
Seems like the key is to literally just omit the word "action", and any symbols or logos that the group may use.
Fucking rules-lawyer their asses.
Or just support a different group that is calling for freedom for Palestine but hasn't broken into a military air base and vandalised some planes.
A lot of the people that have been arrested aren't protesting in for Palestine alone, they're protesting that that specific organisation shouldn't be considered terrorism and the overreach of the law that has been used. Their whole intention was to be arrested. That was the protest.
Um, people are doing just that and are not getting arrested.
throwaway joke made by an American not understanding basic hate speech laws.
Its not hate speech to support palestine action
It's almost like that bullshit is exactly the reason why so many Americans support stronger freedom of speech laws.
America deported people for supporting Palestine
America doesn't exist anymore, the remnamts of what used to be the USA is now part of the trump regime co-ruling with the junta of 6 formed from the remnants of the former institution known as the "supreme court"
America currently deports people for having come here from somewhere else. What the people have done between coming here and now is pretty much irrelevant to the process.
no one's being arrested for supporting palestine.
You sure about that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8de6rq37v5o
I mean, do I have to spell out the different between 'Palestine' and 'Palestine Action' ?
I can't make the claim I know Palestine Action,
But its noted they are now a 'Terrorist Organization'
While I can't claim whether that group 'should' or 'should-not' be officially recognized as a 'Terrorist Organization'
Those people were arrested for supporting a Terrorist Organization. Not for Supporting Palestine.
TIL babies are terrorists. /s
You answered to a comment that talked about the criminalization of Palestine Action. Just saying
You're simply stating facts as they stand today.
Lemmy: Noaaaw! I don't wanna hear it!
babies are terrorists?
In the UK, Palestine Action is legally a terrorist org.
In the UK, you can be arrested for showing support for Palestine Action.
In the UK, you are free to show support for Palestine.
Anything I said non-factual? Same things OP said, spelled out for those that can't untangle their emotions from their reading comprehension.
Muppet.