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It's also not technically wrong, its my understanding as someone in the US, a lot of places if you take medical leave, you're required to use up all your vacation and sick leave doing so, before the company let's you start eating into unpaid days or medical leave. So if you have a large medical issue, have a kid, etc, this post is true, you're being forced to use up all your vacation days to have surgery, or birth, and recover.
meanwhile in europe, i've been specifically told at multiple places to call it in if i get sick on vacation so that my days off don't get used up being unwell.
That's fucking awesome!
Most decent jobs will give you SOME maternity or paternity leave.
My wife gets 5 weeks and I get 6, but I was allowed to stretch it to 7 weeks with pre-approval.
There’s a big difference between ‘most decent jobs give you some maternity leave’ and ‘every job must give you 14 weeks (Germany) of maternity leave’.
Oh no I totally agree. Workers need rights.
I’m just offering the more average experience.
5 weeks is an insult and harmful to the child. Also not something to brag about.
I do not disagree. I was offering the more “expected” experience as an American who yearns for better maternity and paternity rights.
You may be given it, but the problem I was trying to point out is that I think places force you to use all the paid time you have left before you start eating into the maternity/paternity leave, thus rendering OP's post true: you're forced to use your vacation time on medical issues in the US.
Yes. I agree that it’s a problem.
No, we don't have to use vacation and/or sick pay to utilize LOA. Source: I went on paternity leave which was theough LOA benefits (not unpaid, though pay was like 70% or something based on some range of time leading up to the LOA start date) and came back to work with all of my vacation and sick pay available to me.
Then again, I don't think it works the same at every job.