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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that last part in the book? That’s some Ra shit 🤔

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The money bowl? It's once he makes a church and the newspaper fella ( never remember his name) comes to visit. So like 3/4 ish of the book I suppose.

Ed: in case you meant the definition of grok.

Grok means "to understand", of course, but Dr. Mahmoud, who might be termed the leading Terran expert on Martians, explains that it also means, "to drink" and "a hundred other English words, words which we think of as antithetical concepts. 'Grok' means all of these. It means 'fear', it means 'love', it means 'hate' — proper hate, for by the Martian 'map' you cannot hate anything unless you grok it, understand it so thoroughly that you merge with it and it merges with you — then you can hate it. By hating yourself. But this implies that you love it, too, and cherish it and would not have it otherwise. Then you can hate — and (I think) Martian hate is an emotion so black that the nearest human equivalent could only be called mild distaste.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I did mean the “to grok is to understand fully, to understand it to know, to know is to love”. That sounds like the Rule of One, the Ra book. Esoteric bs and all. But it made me curious if that’s where the book of Ra got it.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Check the chain I quoted the book directly.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup yup. But I guess you don’t know the Rule of One material, the Ra books. It’s a very popular new age esoteric material, allegedly channeled from an entity in Venus called Ra. Its philosophy seems to be at least inspired by this Grok book. The Ra material is from the 60s.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stranger in a strange land was 1961 so maybe, though understanding and free love were pretty common principals at the time.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But the idea that you can only truly know what you love, and you can only love what you fully accept, is pretty specific 🤔

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think that's been a thing for as long time or is an interesting weekend research assignment.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idk man, I don’t think it is. When I first read the Ra material I said something to the same effect to basically everybody I knew and it seemed like a really novel idea to all of them 🤷‍♂️

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair most people aren't familiar with philosophy, like 5 episodes of the good place gives people more philosophical education then the general population has normally.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

100%, yeah. But still, this love understanding stuff is very popular among esoteric circles. So there must be a more direct connection than just “hippies talked about love” 🤔