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I think a lot of it comes down to news and education. Every bit of media they consume assured them that Trump was a no-nonsense tough guy who would tackle head on some of the issues that were of genuine concern to them. There are billions of dollars that go into manipulating the landscape in all kinds of ways to make sure that is all they were presented with. And so, that's the basis they decided on. What else could they do?
Sure, you and me exist in a media landscape where that's a laughable joke, but I don't think you can necessarily blame them for not having lucked their way into the same places that we exist on. The white people, who were waving around signs saying "Mass Deportations Now" and then got all upset when it turned around on them, I think you can blame, but I think a lot of people of a lot of different ethnicities and backgrounds just got fooled by all the propaganda that is so polished and professional at this point.
Have memories that go back to 2016-2020
That is the thing that bothers me. EVERYONE that could have voted in 2024 was old enough to remember the first Trump term.
Don't forget the rampant racism/colorism in the latino community!
My guy this is racist as fuck
I can't tell if you're being serious or not...
"The lack of compassion and hypocrisy among the blacks came back to bite their own community in the ass"
"The lack of compassion and hypocrisy in the LGBTQ+ community came back to bite their own community in the ass"
See the problem now?
It's not automatically racist just to discuss significant problems in a particular racial community in a direct fashion of course... but just dismissing Latino support for Trump as a problem of "it's because they are bigoted hypocrites QED" is a bunch of racist crap.
... and then you filled in your theory for what the "because" was that caused the Latino community to vote for him.
If your "because" were completely accurate, I'd agree with you. But it's not. And since it's not, and because you're implying that every single religious Latino as a bloc has that hateful attitude and using that as your jumping off point, it's racist.
Anything else I can help you with?
https://prri.org/spotlight/hispanic-americans-evolving-support-for-lgbtq-rights/
The issue is not that there is some crazy 10% outlier of Hispanics who are not LGBTQ-bigoted, and I'm blaming you for not including them. The issue is that Hispanics are not bigoted as a majority-position bloc in the same way that you're asserting that they are (to such an extent that it overrode every single other consideration and is obviously why they voted the way they did in the election, which you seemed to take as axiomatic and obviously why they voted for Trump.)
I am helping you, I think. You're not open to accepting new information or having the flaws in your thinking pointed out, you perceive it as something else and a reason to argue with me and claim you're just right and I'm being incorrect at you, but I'm doing it anyway.
100% correct yes. And yet, you have a belief in your mind that makes you convinced that:
80-90 percent? So 7% of black people voted for McCain instead of Obama, but you think only a few percent more Latinos than that might potentially have voted for Trump, if it wasn't for those pesky transgenders and if the Catholic church had come out for him?
But your views of Latino thinking are definitely not racist lol. I mean I think I have made my point at this point, we're just reiterating at each other at this point.
So saying a group who voted for a bigot are bigoted is bigoted?
It wouldn't be racist if you had said they were bigoted (Although I do think it would be wrong, I think the issue is more awareness and education than it is just innate bigotry. They obviously didn't fully know what Trump was about, by definition, or they wouldn't have voted for him.)
Since you said the whole grouping is hypocritical and lacks compassion, that's the racist part. IDK how you can't see that, but it seems like you're just determined not to see it for whatever reason.
If you a vote for a bigoted asshole who campaigned on getting rid of trans and gay rights but suddenly feel screwed when he comes after you, you are by definition a hypocrite and lack compassion
Oh! So you weren't talking about the whole religious Hispanic community. You were talking about the subset of it who saw through Trump's performative embrace of the gay community and attempts to campaign on the exact opposite of what you said, were deeply aware of his actual actions on LGBTQ+ issues despite the fact that they're not part of that community directly and none of their media ever talked about it, managed to ignore all the propaganda telling them that he valued family and economic issues which were much more directly important to them directly, and decided to vote for him knowing full well that he was going to go after a bunch of people they didn't really have contact with even though nothing they ever did come into contact with ever reminded them of that reality. And specifically of course excluding from that grouping anyone who voted for him for some other reason, like that their families were struggling with groceries and their media was assuring them that he would fix it.
Yeah, fuck those guys. I thought somehow that instead of singling them out very specifically for their very specific actions and motives, you were painting the whole religious Hispanic community. I apologize for not reading more deeply into what you actually meant.
That's an argument against democracy never working..
Millions of people didn't vote for Trump,.so how come they didn't ?
It's a really good question. So democracy isn't a magic bullet. Putin gets elected every term, Hitler got elected (more or less). One element of democracy actually working the way it's supposed to is the freedom to vote, but also one element of it is subjecting the machinery that selects candidates to people's meaningful input, one element of it is a free enough media and educational system so that people will be able to put their votes in with some understanding and knowledge behind them.
Right now, we sort of have the first, kind of, but the second and third elements the US just doesn't have. It's barely functioning. I think it's not really surprising that the results we're getting are so objectively horrifying. I just want to describe the problem in terms of how it actually developed. This whole diagnosis where "Of course the Latinos had perfect knowledge of what Trump was going to do, but they voted for him anyway, so now it's their fault that it's coming true after they voted for him" is just very obviously not true to me. Obviously they were fooled in some sense about it, because he planning to directly endanger them and their families' safety, so we need to get to the bottom of how that happened and what can be done about it in the future. I do think there is some role played by, roughly speaking, "Latino culture is macho in some ways and Trump did macho messaging that appealed to them." But saying that's the whole way it happened (as some people are apparently) is 1,000% missing the point to me.
Oh fuck that, quit letting idiots off the hook for being idiots. There was, and still is, an absurd amount of information readily available about how shitty Trump is. If the people you're talking about cared at all they could have found it easily, but they didn't. That's not anyone else's fault but theirs.
"Why don't they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get educated about it"
Don’t be a fucking contrarian for idiots. They spend a DECADE shouting about how the liberals are trying to slander poor Donald, oh the awful things they say about him! How could they?
They chose not to accept the truth. That’s on them at this point.
Wikipedia is right there in a number of languages. Not asking people to do academic research, read above a 6th grade level, or leave their house.
Yeah if reading something is too high of a bar for the average person to clear then I will happily admit that my expectations of humanity are too high.
Brother listening to the man speak was too high of a bar.
But this was the first Trump presidency. They had gone through it before. They knew what was going to happen.
Attention spans are short.
You see how fast everyone totally forgot about COVID-19?
The right has not forgotten about Covid, they remember it as a hoax and make fun of people who got vaccinated. Comes up often when the measle outbreak hits the news.
Attention and political memory are very short, especially if you don't closely follow and understand the things being done in the legislature.
Attention spans are short is a valid explanation, but not a valid excuse to escape blame.
Oh, well, that's OK then?
Forgot about what, now?