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[–] Sal@mander.xyz 29 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

If you catch a frog in between your hands and quickly flip it around, you can get the frog into a kind of paralyzed state called 'tonic immobility'.

Here is a photo from Wikipedia:

Frog stuck in tonic immobility

OK, well, many years ago I was very interested in this phenomenon and decided to look into the literature.

I found a paper from 1928 titled "On The Mechanism of Tonic Immobility in Vertebrates" written by Hudson Hoagland (PDF link).

In this paper, the author describes contraptions he used to analyze the small movement (or lack of movement) in animals while in this state. They look kind of like torture devices:

OK, but, that's still not it.... The obscure fact is found in the first footnote of that paper, on page #2:

Tonic immobility or a state akin to it has been described in children by Pieron(1913). I have recently been able to produce the condition in adult human beings.The technique was brought to my attention by a student in physiology, Mr. W. I.Gregg, who after hearing a lecture on tonic immobility suggested that a stateproduced by the following form of manhandling which he had seen exhibited as asort of trick might be essentially the same thing. If one bends forward from thewaist through an angle of 90°, places the hands on the abdomen, and after taking adeep breath is violently thrown backwards through 180° by a man on either side,the skeletal muscles contract vigorously and a state of pronounced immobilitylasting for some seconds may result. The condition is striking and of especialinterest since this type of manipulation (sudden turning into a dorsal position) isthe most common one used for producing tonic immobility in vertebrates.

Apparently this or a similar effect can be observed in humans too?! In this paper, the author himself claims to have done this and that it works! I tried to locate more recent resources describing this phenomenon in humans but I could not find them... Is this actually possible? If so, why is this not better documented? Or, maybe it is better documented but understood as a different type of reflex today? Not sure.

[–] zipsglacier@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Excellent fact, and bonus points because the fact is only recorded in a footnote of a writeup about an already moderately obscure fact.

[–] Doublenut@lemmy.zip 7 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Like you'd see crazy evangelical pactors do to people on tv?

[–] Sal@mander.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

Ha, maybe! I don't remember if I ever saw a 180 flip. This is the closest I could find from a quick search: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpIglVnYuY

If you have a video with the 180 degree flip I would really like to see it. This context seems like a plausible place to see such a move in modern days. I would imagine that in some martial arts this effect would be well known.

[–] tpyo@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

That reminds me of a "game" kids would (try) to play when I was young at school. The kids would say to do just that "bend over, take a deep breath" and the other one would try to lift them up really quickly. I never saw it work. I guess you were supposed to pass out. Idk

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yup did that as a kid. Totally passed out. Later found out it's kind of dangerous.

[–] Sal@mander.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

Some of these 'games' do trigger real physiological mechanisms. A well-documented example is the Valsalva maneuver, where forcefully exhaling against a closed mouth and nose affects heart rate and blood pressure.

In some games, this maneuver (or similar) is combined with a second action that normally increases blood flow demand to the brain. The mismatch between reduced blood pressure and sudden demand can cause dizziness or brief loss of consciousness due to insufficient oxygen reaching the brain.

Actually, there is a similar effect sometimes seen during heavy deadlifts, suddenly releasing can sometimes make people pass out. There are many “deadlift passing out” videos online.

So, those 'games' can work. I have known of kids breaking their teeth after face-planting against the floor while playing those games. Not a very smart thing to do.