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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
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That seems so impractical, esp as we have (according to them) 2 years left, that they already wanted to do the eugenics and just were looking for a rationalization.
Genetic engineering and/or eugenics is the long term solution. Short-term you are supposed to ban GPU sales, bomb non-complying datacenters and have all the important countries sign an AI non-proliferation treaty that will almost certainly involve handing over the reins of human scientific progress to rationalist approved committees.
Yud seems explicit that the point of all this is to buy enough time to create our metahuman overlords.
I dunno, an AI non-proliferation treaty that gives some rat shop a monopoly on slop machine research could conceivably boost human scientific progress significantly.
I think it's more like you'll have a rat commissar deciding which papers get published and which get memory-holed while diverting funds from cancer research and epidemiology to research on which designer mouth bacteria can boost their intern's polygenic score by 0.023%
Considering the reputation of the USA and how they keep to agreements, nobody (except the EU) is going to keep to those anyway. And the techbros who are supposed to be on the Rationalists side help create this situation.
Which all seems pretty reasonable tbh. Quite modest.
@Soyweiser @sneerclub Next step in rat ideology will be: we will ask our perfectly aligned sAI to invent a time machine so we can go back and [eugenics handwave] ourselves into transcendental intelligences who will be able to create a perfectly aligned sAI! Sparkly virtual unicorns for all!
(lolsob, this is all so predictable)
Who needs time travel when you have ~~Timeless~~ ~~Updateless~~ Functional Decision Theory, Yud's magnum opus and an arcane attempt at a game theoretic framework that boasts 100% success at preventing blackmail from pandimensional superintelligent entities that exist now in the future.
It for sure helped the Zizians become well integrated members of society (warning: lesswrong link).
Don't worry too much, none of their timelines, even for things that they are actually working on as opposed to hoping/fundraising/scamming that someone will eventually work on, have ever had any relationship to reality.
Im not worried, im trying to point out that kids take time to grow and teach and this makes no sense. (Im ignoring the whole 'you dont own your kids, so making superbabies ro defeat AI is a bit yikes im that department').
Even for Kurzweils 'conservative' prediction of the singularity the time has run out. 2045. It os a bit like people wanting to build the small nuclear reactors to combat climate change. Tech doesnt work yet (if at all) and it will not arrive in time compared to other methods. (At least climate change is real, or well sadly enough).
But yes, it is a scam/hopium. People want to live forever in the godmachine and all this follows from their earlier assumptions. Which is why the AI doomers and AI accelerationists are on the same team.