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And they already showed their hand a bit: https://bsky.app/profile/gbbranstetter.bsky.social/post/3lwobzemlz22j, They wanted to defend gender norms before quickly editing it to be pro gender expression.

It is a tv series yes, this is basically the clip from the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aOHQ-sMCps there is more context re the episode but it isn't that relevant. I should have just linked it initially. (I have since edited the first post with a link to the know your meme page which explains it).

Thanks, I was not aware.

Free people have less prodictivity, time to wirehead everyone! A Brave New World!

'set them up with'

Anybody want to bet if they did it for free?

Yeah it is interesting how much he fucks up and doesnt seem to notice. Like he doesn't realize he is talking to a journalist who knows he is being recorded.

(And how if this were a journalist looking for a hit job how much he would have failed. Im almost tempted to make an account on lw and post 'you did the king of the hill yall with the cult' meme, but I already made this joke here yesterday, and what was up with the "thats the joke" thing, hope that didnt land as awkward as it read. E: But just saying 'Davis, why do you think this was an interview, as it reads more like you defending lesswrong?' would be better, Davis seemingly speaks most of the time).

From the comments:

I believe that Cade knows perfectly well what everyone has been saying for years; he's being disingenuous because the object level doesn't matter to him, and the only important thing is ensuring that these weirdos don't get status. He's never once engaged on simulacrum level 1 with this community.

Simulacrum level 1.

But do you understand the difference between "uncertain probabilistic argument" and "leap of faith"? Like these are different things.

The lack of understanding that he is right here but only because the first sentence is not a sentence normal people understand, is jarring. (Metz is also correct in that these are saying the same thing). Just amazing.

He could say, 'i dont like you framing it as a religion" but that would give the objection away and also cedes the argument, as now it is about subjective framing. And Davis wants to make it feel like something else.

E: Metz must also be a bit confused, considering the stance of the Rationalist Scripture on cults (which was written in reaction to him writing an article): https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yEjaj7PWacno5EvWa/every-cause-wants-to-be-a-cult, and how it seems to hint at Yud fearing the place does become a cult. "This essay is not a catalog of techniques for actively pumping against cultishness. I’ve described some such techniques before, and I’ll discuss more later. Here I just want to point out that the worthiness of the Cause does not mean you can spend any less effort in resisting the cult attractor." And : "Cultishness is quantitative, not qualitative. The question is not, “Cultish, yes or no?” but, “How much cultishness and where?". (Prob one of the reasons Metz said the 'But you and so many others ... use the same language.' thing).

(Yes, im 'gotcha' quoting the bible at Catholics here).

Yeah also noticed that, in what little actual arguments there are between the name-dropping, he seems to use some terms in the wrong order in a weird way. And cery likely a bot/troll, but very funny of serious. Do not have a substack account, so couldn't check if he posted more on the subject. As substack now loginwalls the archives.

Most people on discord hate Rationalism.

Yep

Yeah i was just doing the meme from king of the hill. If I go indepth, I would sneer at stuff like: "Because if TESCREALism really is a secularized religion, then… so what?"

For being a misrepresentation, it is secularized eschatological Christianity (perhaps even Catholicism, but not Protestant enough to say that, counting the rich feels very knife in church door ish), not just a religion. Doesn't even represent the argument correctly. It is the rapture of the nerds, not the breaking of the Saṃsāra for nerds.

E: bonus points for after first generalizing religion then picking islam as some weird anti apostate example. Must have been an accident. E2: the apostate (yes, my word, he said 'shirkers', which is not a term I have ever seen used re religion) stuff is even funnier considering that Émile P. Torres (who for some reason is not mentioned in the opening, just later), is somebody who has written about “existential threats” for ages (more on his ideas on this here which also has the bonus that it is way more readable than the main post), DavidG was a lesswronger, a lot of science fiction writers who are not positive about TESCREAL are people who wrote transhumanist sf, and see also the large group of sneerclubbers who used to read LW/SSC etc. (E3: forgot to mention, Gebru is a computer scientist).