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Going vegan is a boycott lmao
Same argument as before "I'm one person I can't make a difference" - 1 billion people not making a difference.
Yeah the fact that its a boycot is the problem. Its liberal individualist thinking.
Do you consider veganism an organised effort? Cuz i aint seeing any vegan org actually put a dent in the meat industry where i live. Boycot is not just pausing the consumption of meat there also needs to also be systemic effort.
I linked to multiple organisations from around the world working on systemic issues at various levels in this comment.
I'm interested in your perspective regarding what these organisational efforts are missing.
I'd be happy to provide more information regarding the success/impacts of specific campaigns and organisations if it's relevant.
Uhhh the fact that vegans consider bees thinking feeling individuals and no amount of brainwashing will make anyone this stupid?
As ML's we are trying to convince people that the rich, who are leeching off of the peoples work, dont deserve the wealth they have (which is a very common sense position). Yet people do not want to side with us. Just imagine trying to get them to agree bees are individuals and that they matter.
Unfortunately for vegans there will be no organised effort to lead veganism to success until there is a way to create cheap meat/milk etc without killing animals for it. Organised effort doesnt mean a few thousand people in a community harrassing people or breaking into factories, it means a majority who will impose their will over a minority. In this case vegans fighting (over bees and cows mind you) normal people to take their rights to consume animal products which is a huge part of our nature.
This is what separates liberal thinking which believes that a few hundred vegans in a city are going to make a change with their individual efforts, with Marxist Leninist thinking which argues that for change to be made the majority must not only want change but also must be willing to fight over it to impose their will on the weaker minority.
What does this odd diatribe have anything to do with organisation methods and the efficacy of organisations? You stated that you believe that the vegan movement was not organised, which is what I was responding to.
I'm not interested in debating veganism itself with people online, so I won't respond to the old tired anti-vegan arguments.
Ignoring the mischaracterisation, this is a very dogmatic and unreflected assertion. Is fighting for minority rights, for example, a case of a "majority imposing their will over a minority"? This is simply class reductionism, which not tolerated in any serious ML org or party.
I've already demonstrated that there are large organised efforts tackling specific systemic issues and challenges. In what way are these "individual efforts" of a few hundred people? What do you believe organising looks like?
I thought you had specific concerns regarding some methods of organising and their effectiveness, or would have appreciated learning more about a movement you might otherwise not be very informed on. It seems you're only interested in airing grievances and pushing reactionary rhetoric.
There are animal welfare groups. Some even break into factory farms to expose how unethical they are. Countries even put up laws from filming in slaughter houses because they know how shit they are.