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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Irrelevant to what I said. Reread it.

As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.

The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn't move the party left. We didn't get Bernie, we got Biden.

Why? Because a fascist presidency didn't make people think "hey, we need a real progressive for real change", it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the "safest" vote, which was Biden.

History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

americans are stupid, a side-effect of decades of neglecting their primary and secondary education systems, they will only learn through direct personal pain...and now that pain is coming.

the best move to support/protect those effected, and to make sure they know whose helping them and whose out to get them

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you're not a leftist if you're actively choosing to advocate and vote for the Liberal presidential candidate. -That makes you a liberal, again, not a leftist.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.

Fake leftist virtue signalling pansies who's support for such groups is entirely hollow and self serving on an almost narcissistic level instead boycotted voting for Kamala and quire literally bent over and gaped wide to allow fascists to win the election.

The only fake leftists here are you.

It is your legacy that you spoke for no one when it mattered most. Not ours.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.

I did. I voted for her. She was the second worst of two pro-genocide anti-worker candidates. She wasn't a "best" anything.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Best viable option" never translates to good.

You can hate Kamala. I fucking hate Kamala. Hated her before 2024. But I cared and care about the people who are now suffering under Trump. Their lives weren't worth sticking it to the Dems.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Best viable option” never translates to good.

Then don't call her a synonym for good.

You can hate Kamala. I fucking hate Kamala.

She didn't support genocide hard enough for you.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's not how words work. "best option" mean the better of the available options. It doesn't mean any of them have to be positive.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The "best" option would be making democracy more fair if that is the system we collectively agree on.

The idea that our democracy is unfair even resonates with the right. It's a common sentiment.

I hear people loudly say they only voted Kamala because they had to vote against Trump. That isn't representative democracy.

We need to seriously look at our system - democracy shouldn't mean being held hostage to vote for somebody you don't want to vote for in order to prevent the other person from gaining power.

And really, approximately half of the country votes. This system is not working.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree, but that fight isn't fought at the ballot box. It's fought long before then. This is the part that most people don't understand. They say "but I voted!" as though it's all anyone could ask of them. But it's the opposite of that. It's the least they could do for their democracy. It's between elections that the real changes are made.

Once you get to the election there are only two options left. You've passed the point of other options. You pick the best one, or you stand the chance of the worst candidate winning. It's not right, but the election came down to Kamala and Trump. A third of the voting population voted for Trump, a third for Kamala, and a third didn't give a shit and allowed the fascist to win.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Things are as you like them, and anyone who complains just isn't doing enough. The best part about this is that now an unfair system that favors genocidal candidates is now magically the fault of that system's hostages instead of the people holding them hostage.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

That’s not how words work.

I know how gaslighting works. I know how condescension works. I chose my words because they precisely describe the situation.

You chose yours because you think genocide supporters are the best.