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It's the good old point about the West having "rules for thee...". I just surprised you with the angle, I guess.
I see what you are saying about the five untouchables, but cases against them happened. Just as political statements, with no hope of result. No one even tried sanctions this time though.
ICJ case was a circus on three levels: Ukraine literally did a strawman by claiming that Russia justifies the invasion with Genocide Convention, when Russia openly invoked article 51 of the UN charter; the ruling had little to nothing to do with the application; was unintentional self-trolling by the US diplomats that no doubt worked on the case, because... I'll save it for Christmas.
That is...not at all how law works. Mob justice is a criminal offence in most countries. Probably in all countries.
I'm not saying Russia had UN mandate to invade. What I am saying is that Russia made all the moves and got diametrically opposed results to those of NATO. Russia recognised LPR and DPR, signed agreements with them, even the blind OSCE monkeys in Donbass registered hundreds of ceasefire violations by Ukraine and only about two weeks later Putin came out with his stand up bit.
Which brings me to Christmas. The UN didn't sanction Yugoslavia bombings. But ICJ ruled they were humanitarian intervention. Under what? Under Genocide Convention. ~~Need I remind that Milošević was aquited by Hague tribunal after death?~~
Neither spirit nor the letter are broken. Rulings of an organization headquartered in NYC that can't give a straight answer when asked about the US blatantly stealing oil in Syria are another matter.
So no new talking points for you, comrade) Not really. Just another angle to ridicule the so called rules based order.
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I get what you’re saying! My approach to this is to carefully craft the narrative so that it can not be used to excuse the war crimes committed by the West. So for example I think BRICS should unilaterally impose sanctions on the US for its war crimes, and I don’t think that should be illegal for this to happen. Even if it means once in a while the US can sanction and isolate itself more on the world stage, whatever.
So the reasoning is, if we say the sanctions on Russia are unilateral and therefore illegal, then wouldn’t we also have to concede that the US can commit a crime and not be subject to unilateral sanctions from China / Russia because the UNSC does not vote in favor of it (bc of US veto)? Adhering to this narrative also benefits in the long term, because the US commits many more crimes than Russia / China and therefore would be subject to the most sanctions under this reasoning.
What are your thoughts on this? Also a disclaimer but I do admit ignorance on the Russo Ukraine conflict so I’m not going to pretend to be an authority here.
(And yeah, sounds like the UN is compromised. I totally agree there.)
My thoughts are that international law is such a mess now that it doesn't matter at all any more. It was selectively disregarded for years by the West, Russia, China and some others have been proving both that it doesn't work as written and that precedents set by the West somehow don't apply to others, and now all we're waiting for is complete breakdown.
I don't know if the UN goes the way of the League of Nations as a result of WWIII or if this breakdown takes some other form, but I also think it's too soon to be developing the next system. The current patient formally isn't six feet under yet and formalities matter with law.