1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn't want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he's doing his stream
Buddy, have you never snapped at a pet before? I'm not gonna claim hasan is a saint, but you bet your ass I've gotten upset at my dog before, sometimes when maybe I shouldn't have.
There is a disconnect here between what happened and the response people are having about it. You can say he was mean, sure, I don't think any of his behavior especially when its a one off thing, constitutes animal abuse though. Not in a legal sense, and not in any consistently applied social sense either.
And I think the reason that there is this disconnect is because several communities primed and ready to hate hasan are willing to pick out anything less than perfect and make mountains out of molehills.
And I think the reason that there is this disconnect is because several communities primed and ready to hate hasan are willing to pick out anything less than perfect and make mountains out of molehills.
I notice this is a really common accusation also.
My reaction is the same as the woman in the clip's reaction. Take her final facial expression, and that's my reaction. It has literally 0 to do with anything that some kind of surely equally groupthink-ing community on the "other" side has to say about it.
The problem that woman had was likely addressed in the small period of time hasan and her are finagling with the collar shortly after she brought it up.
Her emotional response is not proof of a shock collar, she never brought up a shock collar, she only said the collar was too tight.
The problem that woman had was likely addressed in the small period of time hasan and her are finagling with the collar shortly after she brought it up.
Why are you convinced that this "likely" happened?
Also, do you have any kind of guess about why Hasan and the people in these comments so consistently use the logic of "well you must be from this other community if you are 'attacking' me in this way" and sort of implying that means it must not be true? I mean, I'm not, but I don't even get why that is an argument for why things in the videos are not what they appear to be.
I'm convinced it likely happened because he was fucking with the collar on stream right after it was brought up and it takes 20 seconds to fix? What the hell kinda question is that?
The reason people respond to you in this way is because the first places this was posted about was in the H3 and Destiny reddit communities, and those communities are known to not be very fond of hasan, and are known to waste their time looking for any tiny bit of wrong doing.
This will be the end of me engaging in this conversation.
The reason people respond to you in this way is because the first places this was posted about were in the H3 and Destiny reddit communities
Again, this just isn't how I reason. It's very bizarre to me. Generally the source of the information is pretty irrelevant unless it's already someone I trust a lot. I look into it, if it makes sense to me, then I start to take it on, but it's not like "this one is my tribe! Right all the time!" or "This one is the haters! Wrong all the time!" It's all just people talking on the internet, and you have to scrutinize the actual information.
To me it seems like normal people (here and on reddit /r/all) having a pretty alarmed reaction to seeing these clips, and then Hasan stans relentlessly finding any random reason they possibly can to try to say it's not a big deal. It's an airtag collar obviously you moron, and also Hasan said it's a vibration collar, and she clipped her dewclaw obviously, or he doesn't actually know what happened anymore because he wasn't looking, but she hurt herself somehow but that's not important, anyway she was wearing a vibration collar, but that doesn't matter because he didn't vibrate her anyway, and anyway shock collars aren't a big deal, they're just like ants crawling on your skin, and anyway this is what all those Hasan haters always say and you're obviously one of them, because you have this bad thing to say.
It's just a bunch of nonsense. It literally just sounds like Fox News talking heads trying to justify something Trump did.
I watched the original clips, I followed a link to a YouTube full stream of his because someone linked to it making a particular argument, I kept watching more of that one for context, I looked at some screenshots, downloaded some of the videos and did frame-by-frame looking at them to see if particular things people were saying were plausible, I skimmed through about an hour of his new stream today where he gives his side of the story, and I looked up some products to see if I could identify the actual model of collar (I could not, I didn't try very hard). I think that's all I did.
Interestingly enough, yesterday the things people were saying were factual things that could at least be subjected to that kind of digging (and I generally found that the things the "anti" group were saying were at least plausible, and the things the Hasan stans were saying were usually impossible or self-contradictory, or just based on wild assumptions like "he probably fixed the collar after the video ended, source: it is known"). That actually formed a lot of why I decided that I'm definitely not on Team Hasan as far as this particular issue. Today, people unanimously switched over to simply saying it was a big conspiracy by enemies of Hasan, and accusing me of being in league with some streamer or other who I have barely heard of. That actually happened right after Hasan spent 45 minutes saying the exact same thing on his stream, interestingly enough. I have no idea whether that is cause and effect, but that's how it happened.
I watched the original clips, I followed a link to a YouTube full stream of his because someone linked to it making a particular argument, I kept watching more of that one for context, I looked at some screenshots, downloaded some of the videos and did frame-by-frame looking at them to see if particular things people were saying were plausible, I skimmed through about an hour of his new stream today where he gives his side of the story, and I looked up some products to see if I could identify the actual model of collar (I could not, I didn't try very hard). I think that's all I did.
What a strange behavior. Don't you have something better to do than investigating this?
Feels like manufactured outrage from the fascist side of streaming when the same people are advocating for political violence or genocide.
Do you feel the same about these subjects?
Or did you just see "dog" and fell into the trap?
Buddy, have you never snapped at a pet before? I'm not gonna claim hasan is a saint, but you bet your ass I've gotten upset at my dog before, sometimes when maybe I shouldn't have.
There is a disconnect here between what happened and the response people are having about it. You can say he was mean, sure, I don't think any of his behavior especially when its a one off thing, constitutes animal abuse though. Not in a legal sense, and not in any consistently applied social sense either.
And I think the reason that there is this disconnect is because several communities primed and ready to hate hasan are willing to pick out anything less than perfect and make mountains out of molehills.
I notice this is a really common accusation also.
My reaction is the same as the woman in the clip's reaction. Take her final facial expression, and that's my reaction. It has literally 0 to do with anything that some kind of surely equally groupthink-ing community on the "other" side has to say about it.
The problem that woman had was likely addressed in the small period of time hasan and her are finagling with the collar shortly after she brought it up.
Her emotional response is not proof of a shock collar, she never brought up a shock collar, she only said the collar was too tight.
Why are you convinced that this "likely" happened?
Also, do you have any kind of guess about why Hasan and the people in these comments so consistently use the logic of "well you must be from this other community if you are 'attacking' me in this way" and sort of implying that means it must not be true? I mean, I'm not, but I don't even get why that is an argument for why things in the videos are not what they appear to be.
I'm convinced it likely happened because he was fucking with the collar on stream right after it was brought up and it takes 20 seconds to fix? What the hell kinda question is that?
The reason people respond to you in this way is because the first places this was posted about was in the H3 and Destiny reddit communities, and those communities are known to not be very fond of hasan, and are known to waste their time looking for any tiny bit of wrong doing.
This will be the end of me engaging in this conversation.
Again, this just isn't how I reason. It's very bizarre to me. Generally the source of the information is pretty irrelevant unless it's already someone I trust a lot. I look into it, if it makes sense to me, then I start to take it on, but it's not like "this one is my tribe! Right all the time!" or "This one is the haters! Wrong all the time!" It's all just people talking on the internet, and you have to scrutinize the actual information.
To me it seems like normal people (here and on reddit /r/all) having a pretty alarmed reaction to seeing these clips, and then Hasan stans relentlessly finding any random reason they possibly can to try to say it's not a big deal. It's an airtag collar obviously you moron, and also Hasan said it's a vibration collar, and she clipped her dewclaw obviously, or he doesn't actually know what happened anymore because he wasn't looking, but she hurt herself somehow but that's not important, anyway she was wearing a vibration collar, but that doesn't matter because he didn't vibrate her anyway, and anyway shock collars aren't a big deal, they're just like ants crawling on your skin, and anyway this is what all those Hasan haters always say and you're obviously one of them, because you have this bad thing to say.
It's just a bunch of nonsense. It literally just sounds like Fox News talking heads trying to justify something Trump did.
The world exists outside of 1min clips. Investigating a topic is more than watching a 1min clip and making a knee jerk assessment.
I watched the original clips, I followed a link to a YouTube full stream of his because someone linked to it making a particular argument, I kept watching more of that one for context, I looked at some screenshots, downloaded some of the videos and did frame-by-frame looking at them to see if particular things people were saying were plausible, I skimmed through about an hour of his new stream today where he gives his side of the story, and I looked up some products to see if I could identify the actual model of collar (I could not, I didn't try very hard). I think that's all I did.
Interestingly enough, yesterday the things people were saying were factual things that could at least be subjected to that kind of digging (and I generally found that the things the "anti" group were saying were at least plausible, and the things the Hasan stans were saying were usually impossible or self-contradictory, or just based on wild assumptions like "he probably fixed the collar after the video ended, source: it is known"). That actually formed a lot of why I decided that I'm definitely not on Team Hasan as far as this particular issue. Today, people unanimously switched over to simply saying it was a big conspiracy by enemies of Hasan, and accusing me of being in league with some streamer or other who I have barely heard of. That actually happened right after Hasan spent 45 minutes saying the exact same thing on his stream, interestingly enough. I have no idea whether that is cause and effect, but that's how it happened.
What a strange behavior. Don't you have something better to do than investigating this?
Feels like manufactured outrage from the fascist side of streaming when the same people are advocating for political violence or genocide.
Do you feel the same about these subjects? Or did you just see "dog" and fell into the trap?
"How dare you spend minimal effort on this important topic!"
Actually I took it pretty seriously and dug into it a bit
"How dare you spend too much effort on this unimportant topic!"
lol