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Hey @anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -- remember when I said that "liberal" was basically a poisoned word at this point because it means so many different things to so many people that it often just causes confusion to even introduce it?

This is a pretty good example. I tried telling you that most modern Democrats are center-right conservatives as opposed to "liberals," and long story short you didn't like that. So just now I tried out applying the term using the modern "US politics" definition, where Democrats are "liberals," and now I'm all of a sudden in a what-words-mean-what-things conversation with this person. The original substance that we were talking about is forgotten.

@tinidril@midwest.social for what it's worth I actually agree with you here. I don't even know enough about Kamala's policies to be able to weigh in on where she stands, but if I had to guess I would say she is probably a center-right conservative and not a liberal. But as soon as someone says that, there's a whole new crop of people for whom "liberal" means "enemy," and they will crop up to yell at you that of course she's a liberal and how dare you try to defend her against that accusation, and so on, and so the conversation just becomes a big pointless argument filled with tribalism and accusations.

Of course, if that's your goal, then using the word "liberal" is a pretty good approach.