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[–] iamdisappoint@reddthat.com 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I hated that damn book, but this (complete with conch) is hilarious.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I both dislike the book and dislike this comic for missing the actual point of the book, which is not in fact, haha, this is what would actually happen and it's just a group of random kids. It was specifically portraying british aristocratic children to criticize the colonizer mindset while discussing larger issues of human nature and civility and structure vs chaos.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I haven't read the book but how did it criticize the colonizer mindset? A cursory look makes it seem like a justification of paternalistic authority, so propaganda for kids to blindly listen to their parents haha.

If anything wouldn't this be justification for colonization, as colonized nations were often infantalized/dehumanized?

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 hours ago

It was specifically a contrast on the colonizer mindset that was common both in culture and literature at the time. Showing a bunch of useless british aristocrats coming to "savage lands" and rather than taming the land they were shown that without their wealth and power and being taken care of by competent natives and labourers they became the savages they claimed to be inherently divinely better than.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I liked that book. It was eye-opening. And kinda made me appreciate the relative orderliness we have in a society run by adults. As much as kids would love to run wild & free with no supervision, but I was fortunate to be a child of the 1970's & 80s so I enjoyed the perfect balance of wild freedom with parental care at the end of every day.

[–] Bababasti@feddit.org 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If it’s really that eye-opening is debatable I would say. As another user has posted it already, this is a more realistic scenario: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

Edit: I am not saying it’s not a good book. I enjoyed reading it myself. I just don’t like the picture it paints of society and the conclusions people draw from it.

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Well imagine if one of the kids was young Donald Trump. Pretty sure it would be different.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Not really, he would disappear early on.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The idea of you debating their subjetive experience sounds funny

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Lord of the flies is not based on a true story

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wat. I'm talking about them saying it was eye opening lol

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I see. You replied to the wrong person

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 14 hours ago

it seems like I replied to the wrong person, not sure if that person meant to reply to me since I didn't say anything about it being a true story.

[–] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reading it in the early 00s it made me wish I lived somewhere far more interesting with far more wild classmates.

All the rules and restrictions were so internalised, I think if we were abandoned on an island half of them would just sit still and starve.

I can't imagine any of them being interesting enough to try to start their own religious cult or anything.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

When lunchtime approached at her usual morning time, Becca waited and waited, still and silent, till the sun set on the calm and foamy sea. She sat waiting in the golden hour sun, stomach churning, wondering why.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can I ask why? It was actually one of my favorites in school, so just curious for a differing opinion.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 16 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I hated it because it was totally unbelievable, just a paternalistic rationalization for authority

I was confronted with the knowledge that the adults around me all thought the only thing keeping me from murdering someone was layers of rules and supervision. Like we're all just rabid animals barely held back by a watchful eye

Even then, I knew myself better than that. I knew people better than that

But that's how our society treats people. Like monsters that must be managed

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

Hmm, interesting. To be fair, I haven't read it since HS and that was...decades ago. Based on what you said I might reread and reassess.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Humans aren’t monsters until they reach a critical mass. Then they’re just awful.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe it was presented to him as required school reading so that's why he hated it 😜