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for the love of God, don't stick us with newsome
AOC is my top choice, but I know everybody has a million reasons why America wouldn't elect her as president.
But, I had this thought the other day, and I know this is nobody's dream team, but possibly the odd couple situation that just might work. Am I crazy for thinking a Pritzker-AOC ticket might actually have a decent chance?
The Pritzkers are literally the billionaire family of the Hyatt hotel chain fortune. They are, if anything, one part of the problem with the democratic establishment. If you want there to be zero change in society when it comes to taxing the wealthy to create social safety nets, JB is your guy.
Realistically there is zero chance that an actual progressive and a Pritzker could ever function on one ticket. Thats like Bernie running with Bezos, it makes no sense
Pritzker is a guy who comes from money but actually does try and govern for the people. I live in Illinois and he did a bang up job for COVID, is actively doing things to try and fight/resist ICE and shows up in person to talk to the people, has signed vaccination protections to law, he helped to get stalled projects (like road repairs) going, he’s helped with education funding and requiring homeschooling to have more standards, and more.
Yeah, he’s not perfect but he’s at least one who fucking fights for the people and is trying to find ways to make things better for us in Illinois. I truly believe he would do the same on a national level.
Nobody hates Sociopathic Oligarchs more than I do, but there have been cases of ultra-wealthy people being sympathetic to the people.
The best example is Franklin Roosevelt. By my general way of thinking, I never would have supported him based on his wealth alone. And yet he went in to do more for working people than any 10 presidents combined.
So while my general attitude is to NEVER support a billionaire for office, I am prepared to make exceptions for the right candidate, but they have a very high bar to clear to get my support.
Pritzker is looking like a possibility, but I'm still deciding. I'd love AOC, but she's problematic at this stage. I can't stand establishment Dems like Newsome. But I will vote for anyone who vows to purge MAGA from our government and our society, reconfigure our government to remove MAGA advantages, and then follows through.
We have to deal decisively with MAGA before we can do any thing else. We can deal with progressive policies after that.
Definitely among the top five people that should be president. AOC is my first pick, but I would be alright with Pritzker too. Newsom is vaguely acceptable, in the sense that he at least has the ability to lead and isn't a complete idiot. I guess he would at #10.
I never said he is a bad governor or even a bad politician. I said it is antithetical for anyone who is legitimate progressive to run with him. The Prtizkers at large are the type of people who are democrats in the interest of protecting their money. Typical establishment democrats who will make limited concessions in whatever way is needed to prevent any radical change from occurring. No DemSoc or Progressive candidates or voters should be foolish enough to let the fox be in charge of the henhouse
Being better than nutjob conservative billionaires doesnt make someone a good fit to run with progressive candidates
We will see if the progressives like Mandani can do what they say. There is still a lot of resistance in law and interests against them. I think that’s why people get these aspirations to do big positive things in government and then can’t because reality hits. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s going to take multiple years and rounds of those kinds of elections and the voters do not have that patience.
So the argument most people seem to focus on regarding AOC is that she's too far left, especially in terms of economics. If we could have an actual progressive VP, I would hope we could logically then actually have a progressive as a president.
Pritzker may be from a wealthy family, and not be extremely progressive in terms of economics, but several of his economic policies seem more progressive than a lot of establishment Democrats. They would be an odd couple, but might offset each other enough to make a good team and cast a wide net.
He raised minimum wage in his state to $15 an hour back in 2019, he passed a law to protect collective bargaining, and he passed a graduated tax law that didn't make people making $250K or less pay more in taxes.
I would say the least likeable trait, and probably the thing that would make their pairing least likely, would be his unwillingness to call for the ceasefire in Israel until October of 2024 (which sadly is still a better track record than a lot of establishment Dems).
It's also worth noting that he apparently funded his own campaign for governor with his own wealth, and that could make him less beholden to big donors like many establishment Dems.
I also think he and AOC are two of the few politicians who could really mop the floor with the MAGA narrative control bullshit, and their individual strengths and differences could make them more difficult to target with typical narrative control attacks.
I think USAmericans gotta hit the streets, now, yelling "We won't vote for Gruesome Newsom" just in case we do get a 2028 Election. If we don't destroy his campaign now, he'll be ushered to the front of the Democratic Primary like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
Sounds like aborting the fetus of opposition before it reaches viability.
The left has NEVER been in control of the Democratic Party.
Correct option is getting DSA candidates more light and having DSA candidates running as Dems.
Grow up. You will have the chance to vote for him or one of the other Dems that run in 2028 when you have your primaries. You and your ilk are the reason why Trump got power and regained it. You are as bad for democracy as the rabid, right wing Nazis.
Yup. Let's convince Biden to step down at the last possible second, and then surprised Pikachu face when the nominee is Kamala and then they don't vote.
Gavin isn't Kamala nor is she running. You are stuck in the past. Not very progressive of you.
Are you mentally challenged? I was agreeing with you... Jesus, this place is something else.
Cool. Let's have another Biden-esque presidency that just leaves Americans unsatisfied to the point where they come out en-masse and vote for Vance because "it was better under the prior administration" until they realize that, whoops! they aren't actually better under Vance, but now it's too late.
Voting Biden in 2020 as a transitional candidate obviously wasn't the right move. Establishment Dems are the reason the non-political Americans get rallied against "the Left". All that figures like Biden and Newsom do is empower "both sides" political apathy.
Biden beat Trump soundly in 2020. You can blame the Dem PTB and Biden all you want but Biden 2020 clearly wasn't Biden 2024. Americans were unsatisfied with someone who was obviously in the throws of late onset Dementia. No one can predict what is going to happen cognitively with old people and it can happen rather quickly. The same exact fate might befall Trump before 2028 when he thinks he is going to run again before you give the nod to JD.
2020 to 2024 was also a period when the GOP smear machine was eviscerating everything Biden did with the complicit help of the Conservative MSM from Trump's Afghanistan withdraw that he, himself drew up to Hunter's laptop and dick. They were wildly successful painting the Dems, not just Biden, as weak, intellectual cucks. Gavin is not that. He is the anti that. He comes off as a man's man. Something that is required to win in this day and age. As you should be able to tell by now, policy means jack shit to the American voter any longer. Stance on issues means less. The want a talking head that looks good in front of the camera and talks America first talk. The young male voters want "Alpha Males" that show uo to UFC fights and then hosts them on the WH lawn. The game has changed forever. Time to start playing it right.
Craziness would be to run a woman again. Gavin's Trump-esque Tweets have gotten more people excited about the rub in in their face retribution the base is yearning for right now. These traitors need to be punished, first in the court of public opinion ,then at the ballot box, and ultimately in the courts. Those 4 years of the Dems doing nothing to counter the momentum Trump continued to gain every day might go down as the turning point in our Democracy . We will find that in in a few, short months.
You guys demand democrats stand up to trump and the moment one does, you sit on them and kick them down. You guys deserve every bit of trump
Making memes online is not standing up to a fascist, thats a delusional take. Pritzker vowing to arrest people who help ICE agents is standing up to a fascist. And neither of those things alone make's a good candidate.
I like Pritzker, but vowing isn't action.
You people deserve trump
Americans are trash. You guys genocide and murder everyone even slightly brown and you elect a jackass, and suddenly you wanna play the victim. Victim to your own stupidity maybe. Call me a moron all you want, I’ve been called worse by your people for a long time. Racist trash
I justed wanted a cookie.
100% and there is no way all of these downvotes are organic. There is a pretty obvious right wing brigading going on. Many people pretending to be democrats. Even more pretending to be Americans. This is why many left Reddit.