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Ukrainian surface drones had Starlink comms disabled on direct Musk's orders (web.archive.org)
submitted 1 year ago by skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de to c/techtakes@awful.systems
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of course he was afraid of russian nuukes. this only prompted Ukrainian engineers to bypass use of starlink entirely and current sea drones, like the one used in second Kerch bridge strike, or these used against SIG tanker and Olenegorsky Gornyak landing ship use domestic technology only

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[-] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago

Personally my mental model of Musk is that whenever he does something, I think, “is this what an idiot who thinks he will eventually go to mars would do?” Then it’s really a matter of figuring out the path to the answer being yes. Can’t go to mars if you die from nuclear war, or something. I don’t try very hard to think about this.

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 8 points 1 year ago

@swlabr @wagesj45

Can't go to Mars if your massive satellite constellation (plus competitors) results in enough space junk to make reaching orbit difficult.

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago

Starlink causing a Kessler event and grounding all spaceflight would be delicious irony, but I believe their orbits are too low for this to be a problem. Instead they just annoy astronomers and Russians.

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@gerikson

On the other hand, Kessler wrote: "Some of the most environmentally dangerous activities in space include large constellations such as those initially proposed by the Strategic Defense Initiative in the mid-1980s"

SDI's Brilliant Pebbles originally proposed a 10,000 unit LEO constellation.

Starlink is already close to 5,000, and Musk wants 30,000. Add in the Chinese effort estimated at ~13,000. OneWeb has 500-600 up there.

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 1 year ago

Ugh apparently it won't stop Starships from fucking off to Mars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome#Implications

However, even a catastrophic Kessler scenario at LEO would pose minimal risk for launches continuing past LEO, or satellites travelling at medium Earth orbit (MEO) or geosynchronous orbit (GEO).

OTOH the faster Musk fucks off the better so ...

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 4 points 1 year ago

@gerikson

"would pose minimal risk for launches continuing past LEO"

I suppose so, and yet you could say the same about aircraft flying over the launch site on launch day. A collision is unlikely due to the speed of the rocket and the short time it would be at aircraft altitudes.

But I'm pretty sure they still don't want anyone flying over the launch pad.

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 3 points 1 year ago

@gerikson

Even if it doesn't rapidly degenerate into a full-blown Kessler Event, I'd have to think there'd be enough going on there to increase uncertainty and risk.

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 1 year ago

That’s what the flamethrowers are for.

[-] self@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago

he is absolutely practicing which buttons to push to end an eventual Martian worker rebellion

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