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the full line being "Give us today our epiousion bread"

Today, most scholars reject the translation of epiousion as meaning daily. The word daily only has a weak connection to any proposed etymologies for epiousion. Moreover, all other instances of "daily" in the English New Testament translate hemera (ἡμέρα, "day"), which does not appear in this usage.[1][2] Because there are several other Greek words based on hemera that mean daily, no reason is apparent to use such an obscure word as epiousion.[4] The daily translation also makes the term redundant, with "this day" already making clear the bread is for the current day.[21]

i don't think wikipedia mentions this but it has 'pious' in the middle

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[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

Catholics go one step further. Both the translation and the tradition of interpreting the translation is divinely inspired. Protestants sometimes vaguely point to something like that but most realize that if they follow the logic train of sacred tradition they should be Catholic or Orthodox.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The book was produced by the tradition. If the tradition is junk, then why would the book not be junk too?

This is one thing that atheists often get wrong about Catholicism. Catholics don't believe sola scriptura, the Protestant principle that all Christian tradition is to be rooted in the text of the Bible. Thus, "Bible contradictions" and the like are not rebuttals to Catholic views the way they are to "fundamentalist" Protestant views.

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm an atheist ex protestant, but I generally agree with that theological view. I think Protestantism is very inconsistent in that regard and most arguments amount to hand waving. In the end, though, all denominations pick and choose when councils had sufficient authority to be binding tradition. Unless they're gnostics or some other type of anti-pauIine Christian guess.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago

Talking about protestantism is a singular thing, lol

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

You could have added nuance to an interesting discussion. But instead you went for snark.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -4 points 1 year ago
[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Evangelicals are all about that inspired, literal, complete, and inerrant word of God stuff. 99% of all evangelical churches have that as a mission statement on their website.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Unless they realize that each new interpretation is Divinely inspired. In which case the most recent one is the truest, Tradition is dead, and also the Divine changes Her mind a lot.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have an update process they call "progressive revelation" so that they can keep retconning their doomsday prophecies.

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