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There's a big difference between "9/11 was a conspiracy" and "9/11 was fake."
I think lots of folks agree that we didn't get the entire story behind what happened that day.
I think no one who was alive that day believes it was "fake."
I think that's usually the line I hear before something absurd, inane, or insane is said.
Because the government is notorious for their transparency?
Government not being transparent doesn't mean that every crackpot conspiracy theory is true or even plausible.
Not every conspiracy.
But ones that lead to starting baseless wars for oil and money are certainly worth asking questions about.
Afghanistan doesn't even produce oil. And the lie used to invade Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Correct. And neither Afghanistan nor Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. It has been proven over and over that it was the Saudis, but we don't want to attack them.
9/11 was used as an excuse to attack Afghanistan for their Taliban and strict religious beliefs. Then 9/11 was used as an excuse to invade Iraq for the WMDs. Both were not involved at all with 9/11.
People and corporations made billions of dollars off these wars, and it's reasonable to ask why they were started in the first place.
Do you not remember the whole issue of the Taliban offering safe haven to Osama Bin Laden and refusing extradition? That was the whole fucking reason we invaded. Or do you think harboring a Saudi terrorist who just orchestrated a massive terrorist attack is being 'uninvolved'?
Buddy. Calm down. I'm not making any argument here. I'm just saying given what the huge response was to 9/11 and how it seemed to largely miss the mark of who was involved - asking questions is a reasonable thing.
JAQing off is not an excuse to peddle conspiracies, though every conspiracy theorist I've ever met seems to think it is.
Feel free to believe the government, I guess and follow blindly into war.
I think it's smart to ask questions. Especially when the WMDs in Iraq were 100% incorrect.
Again, I don't believe most 9/11 conspiracies. But I do think it makes sense to ask questions when things don't align.
Cheney did 911
No. Jesus Christ.
Only thing that ever stood out so much for me was the WTC building 4 collapse. Idk I was pretty dumb and into YouTube conspiracies back then so maybe it was BS.
Fire in a skyscraper is a huge issue.
Debris from tower 2 started a fire in tower 7.
And as anyone who works with steel can tell you, you don't need to get it that hot before it bends like a limp noodle. A blacksmith can forge with a wood fire as long as it's built up enough and has good air flow.
Broken windows and flaming debris made for the perfect setup for an uncontrollable fire.
So maybe what was bullshit?
They are saying that Building 8 Conspiracy Thories were probably bullshit.
The one thing that still makes me wonder about the whole thing is what the government was able to accomplish as a 'solution' to 9/11. From what I know about mk ultra, the crack epidemic, tuskegee, etc is that the government has no problems killing their own civilians to accomplish their goals.
Not saying that's what happened, but I just don't trust the feds, or state governments
Yeah it is certainly something...