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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

US industry accounts for only around 11% of its GDP nowadays, and the amount of shells US can produce today is laughable.

Army Secretary Christine Wormuth separately told reporters that the U.S. will go from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000 by the spring and 40,000 by 2025.

Biden has literally admitted that the reason cluster munitions are being sent is because US ran through the regular munition stocks.

You're not going to respond further because you know that the facts aren't on your side. No amount of name calling and personal insults is going to change that. You're either an ignoramus or a liar, either way not a good look.

[-] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

Draining stocks is exactly what the US wants. Are you really this daft and don't understand this simple point. This is huge money making expedition for the US.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While people making money from the war is certainly a big aspect of all this, the reality is that US can't produce ammunition at the rate it's being consumed. Two things can be true at the same time. Eventually, this grift will run its course and it will be the people of Ukraine who suffer in the end being led up the garden path by the west.

[-] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree with the sentiment that Ukrainians aren't suffering and won't suffer more because of this. I'm not a fan of the US hegemony.

That being said I think you grossly underestimate the weapons capacity of the US both stockpile and production ability.

Heck I could make that argument about Russia as well...

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

I think we'll find out soon who's underestimating and who's overestimating what US is producing. However, all the official sources from US disagree with you right now. And again, Ukraine isn't a core interest for US and they're not going to send every last bit of weaponry to Ukraine. Here's what Obama had to say in 2016:

Obama declares Ukraine to be not a core American interest and that he is reluctant to intervene in the country, because Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”

Meanwhile, Russia was producing over a million shells a year even before the war started, and has only increased up production since then

CSIS just published an article admitting that Russia isn't going to be running out of missiles either https://www.csis.org/analysis/russia-isnt-going-run-out-missiles

tank production in Russia is ramping up too https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/06/29/russias-uvz-halts-all-secondary-output-begins-tank-mass-production/

The reality of the situation is that Russia has a state run military industry that it inherited from USSR, while the west has privatized industry. It's much easier for Russia to ramp up production than it is for the west.

Finally, there's China with an industrial base that dwarfs the west. China needs Russia to secure resources and as a shield in the west. The worst possible outcome for China would be if Russia was balkanized by the west and US was able to install puppet regimes there. If Russia ever found itself in a difficult position then China will step in and provide support.

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