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At-will employment makes no sense to me. You go to work every day knowing you could be fired without any possibility of taking the time to find another job. It would drive me crazy.
Oh it's terrifying.
You should not compare that to employment as it is known in other countries.
Rather compare it to slavery. Doesn't it look better now? ;-)
The flip side is we can quit at anytime.
I mean, I'll take the months notice period and knowing I get redundancy if my job goes over being able to quit a bit faster.
So like mid-shift or are there any limits to this?
I quit by showing up 3 hours early and sent an eff you I’m out email. Dropped my badge on my desk and walked out without talking to anyone.
No. You just tell someone above you that you quit, and then leave.
You could walk out without telling anyone, but that's rare. Depends on how shitty the job is.
Depending on your contract, you can absolutely just leave mid shift with no repercussions. Even if you breach your contract, the company will have to pursue legal action to claim any damages, which is costly.
Yeah, that really doesn't make up for it.
I mean, I don’t live in an at-will state and I can quit at any time too.
So you live in Montana?
... because that's the only one.
I guess that also makes it somewhat easier to get hired though? You can give your employees a chance without thinking too much about it, and if they suck just fire them.
We have this in Germany - for the first six months of employment. Ok, it's still two weeks notice because that's the right thing to do, but still, it's less than the 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 months of notice required after working at a place for 0.5/5/8/10/12/15/20 years. (BGB §622 for the curious)
There is no reason to keep the possibility for such a short notice indefinitely.
For the most part, in my experience, don't be a fuck up and you won't get fired. Every company I've ever worked for has had very strict rules about firing people, It can take months for someone to get fired for anything short of violence, theft, or sexual harassment.
Thanks for the answer. It’s clearer now.
Some companies having strict rules isn't a stand-in for decent workers protections.
Employers don't have protections from employees flaking out either. It goes both ways.
Yeah, there's quite a power imbalance there ...
Only if you're easily replaceable.
No, then there's still a power imbalance, only slightly less egregious.
This is true. No idea why you're being downvoted. There are tons of protections in place for workers in at-will states.