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American XL bully dogs to be banned after attacks, Rishi Sunak says (news.sky.com)

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[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Part of the problem is it isn't a breed.

Part of the order (request? whatever it is) is to define the breed first. Which makes the rest seem pretty reactionary. Not far off from saying "ban dogs I find scary".

[-] kale@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A lot of that is selective breeding. Humans add a ton of extra stuff to breed, but groups of breeds are not as arbitrary. Pointers have been bred for bird hunting, shepherds for livestock, retrievers for waterfowl, terriers for small game hunting. Bulldogs were bred for 150+ years to attack bulls, bears, and other dogs (until animal welfare laws banned dog fighting). Further division of breeds (like rat terrier vs feist) is arbitrary and doesn't represent anything meaningful genetically.

My opinion is that bulldog / terrier mixes (like the pit) represent a greater risk to humans than the average dog. I don't think it's anything unique to the pit, which has a lot of media hysteria. The data look so bad for pits because they are so popular. If Staffordshires were more popular in America, they'd show up in the stars more.

The name "pit bull terrier" did originate from bull terriers used in professional dog fighting. Dogs would fight in a pit. Until animal cruelty laws became a thing.

Just being upfront: I wouldn't own a pit due to the number of instances of friends having a pit that is the "nicest dog ever" and it randomly attacked them one day. I also extend this to Persian cats, btw. But we can't ban particular breeds. Punish bad owners, continue selectively breeding dogs to reduce aggression.

Extreme example: Adults who were abused as children are more likely to be child abusers themselves. Should we ban people who were beaten by their parents from being teachers? They are statistically more likely to abuse children.

[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think we agree? Breeds have tenancies towards certain behaviors and pits tend to be singled out in part because they're popular, so there are more incidents, and in part because they're strong, so the incidents tend to be more serious.

But that doesn't make the order less arbitrary.

If Huskies/Akitas/Malamutes were more common and in the news a lot and they decided to ban "wolf-like dogs" or somesuch that would also be questionable.

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