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That argument will be thrown at every god damn step we make towards a better planet. It's not valid.
But they're a whole lot better for the planet than gas cars. And cars won't go away till we make alternatives. Which we should do as quickly as possible, but will still take a while.
... so long as you're not leasing them, the lifetime energy cost is night and day.
The current rhetoric against EVs is reminiscent of the rhetoric against nuclear power. Yes, it's not great. Yes, it's not renewable. However, it gives us more time to more deeply address these issues. The successful anti-nuclear Green Peace campaigns against nuclear have done immeasurable damage to the environment in the long-term (I'm now convinced they were a big oil sock puppet all along). The same could be said for the anti-EV crowd, but the "EVs are sexy" campaign seems to be gaining more traction this time round.
Make no mistake though, the "EVs are just as bad" is a myth perpetuated by big oil.
If you can do a bike, then please do a bike (or a scooter, or one of the many options). If you can't, then an EV is a good choice. If you can't afford an EV. But never, ever, lease.
??? I hugely disagree that cars are a bigger problem than green house gas pollution. I can live in an unwalkable city. I probably can't live on a +4°C earth.
What's your source on tires? This estimates 75k miles for tire replacement. That amount of gas would emit 30000kg of co2, vs 350 kg co2 for 4 tires.
I usually visit my closest city for one of two reasons: 1) I have some kind of appointment or 2) I know some who lives there. Right now I'm able to drive there and park on the street. What should my alternative be once the city is "hostile" to cars? Remember, I live 30+ minutes away by car and take a highway to get there.
I think co2 ghgs global warming is by far the biggest environmental catastrophe coming our way. So the most important factor will be how will it impact co2 emissions.
As I said, we should make alternatives to driving in cities as quickly as we can. But that will still take a while. What are you suggesting in the mean time? Not going places?
EVs are much better than gas for minimizing co2 emissions. I think we should encourage them as a transitional solution till we have trains and walkable or bikeable cities.
So should we not leave our homes for years? I don't see what you're proposing.
I'm not taking about you, I'm taking about me and millions of others who couldn't walk or bike to where they work or get groceries, much less everything else. I am advocating for something better. But even if everyone was on board, it would still take years. And everyone else is very much not on board. I'm not giving up and accepting the status quo, I'm saying we need an transitional solution while we work to change things.
By staying inside for years? That's what I was asking.
Cars are simply not a good method of individual transportation, regardless of what energy they consume. Theyre just too big.
You're still lugging around 1500 to 2000 kg of steel, glass & plastic to move around little more than your butt. You can do something more efficient than that, assuming the infrastructure is rigged up to handle it.
Yup, not ideal. But the available infrastructure is the key point as you said. A lot of places in the US there just isn't an alternative.
Actually, they are not common yet because car manufacturers knew they could potentially lose profit as it`s simpler (mechanically ) machine and thus car should break less and they would sell less as result.
The problem is that the real way to cut down on emissions would be to accept that not every good can be available at any time and that's a bitter pill to swallow.
We have tuna caught in South America, hauled to Thailand for canning and hauled back to the US to be sold. Turns more profit than local catches because the megacorporations can save a couple bucks on worker salaries. And that is just an example, it's not just the food industry, hauling shit to hell and back and back to hell and back is common practice.
Doesn't even have to be unavailable at times. They could can it in north America if they wanted to. Outsourcing jobs (read: exploiting foreign countries and their workers) should be heavily taxed if not banned in most industries
You mean exploiting, right? :)
Yes. Auto correct haha