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submitted 1 year ago by Five@slrpnk.net to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

Relevant due to the Canadian monument that was recently defaced. Image via RadicalGraffiti@todon.eu.

This is a plea not to whitewash Ukraine's nazi past or minimize the fascist presence in its forces, but to defend its people from fascism and imperialism. Anarchists and Communists are fighting for the Ukrainian people against Russia, and are calling for solidarity.

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[-] Five@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this is getting pushed

My stance is clear from the post body text and my post history.

Representing concern about fascism in Ukraine as a narritive only shared by pro-Putin trolls is a tacit support for nazism. Your kind of propaganda is harming support for Ukraine in the west. Please stop.

[-] Despair@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The issue is with conflating people from an event which occurred in the 1950s and associating it with groups of people alive currently, to me these two things are distinctly different from each other, and I wouldn't link these two things together.

Events related WWII feel irrelevant anything going on today, it's been ~75 years since then and the majority of people from that time period are already dead or >90 years old. Their actions were not influenced by people born decades after the fact, and it feels incorrect to link the two groups together. Multiple generations of people have been born in that time span further distancing people from older ideologies.

By David Pugliese Over the years some Ukrainian Canadians have staunchly defended the 14th SS Division Galicia. They have falsely claimed that Ukrainians who served in the division were conscripted, when in reality 80,000 volunteered and 13,000 were selected. Other apologists argue that the divisio...

With the title of the article/post, and the summary shown on desktop, it looked like this was just another post associating Canada with accepting Nazis/implying that people with Ukranian nationality are Nazis due to the phrasing of the title being similar to the titles used by the lemmygrad/lemmynsfw users.

It's my fault for skimming the rest of the post body, it looked that was a generic image caption crediting a photographer, followed by a short paragraph copied from the article.

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

to me these two things are distinctly different from each other, and I wouldn’t link these two things together.

There's a Shona proverb, "The axe forgets what the tree remembers" - There are still holocaust survivors alive today, and they and their descendants continue to remember the actions of Ukrainian fascists. To many of them the Nazi history and Azov symbols and rhetoric are inexorably linked. Maybe consider whether it should be a bigger deal to you, now that murderers are coming for people you care about. Will you stay silent if Canada erects a monument to Wagner veterans in 50 years?

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