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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, I understand that it smells really bad to non smokers. On the other hand, statements like this seem so ridiculously over the top that it makes me question you as a person.

We live in car country - assuming you are German as well -, with a wide variety of unhealthy crap that you have to inhale on a daily basis. Smog, exhaust fumes, half the food we can buy is unhealthy.

Honestly I don’t understand how people can be so worked up about smokers in that context. Is it because those are people you can bitch at and boss around, instead of nebulous corps and governments who ignore your calls for climate action and environment protection?

Otherwise it makes no sense. Smokers are already segregated away from non smokers nowadays, what about their freedom to live (or die) as they want? Your freedom not to smell unpleasant things doesn’t trump that. Me farting in your vicinity doesn’t constitute harm to your individual rights.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Your freedom ends where mine begins. You are free to kill yourself, but not to blow cancerous substances on top of me - and yes, that should include cars.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I generally agree, just that it seems cheap to pile on smokers like they are some sort of lepers. Also you are free to go somewhere else when around a smoker. Their habit doesn’t make them second class citizens, or should I say your freedom ends where theirs begins?

If we want clean air we have to start with the actual polluters, not the easy pickings who are just random people. That’s like, obsessively worrying about your personal climate impact when the vast, vast majority of climate change is caused by just a handful of corporations.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Also you are free to go somewhere else when around a smoker.

Their children aren't.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Also you are free to go somewhere else when around a smoker.

Not always.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Also you are free to go somewhere else when around a smoker.

That's not how it works.