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Anyone who kidnaps, rapes, and murders a civilian is a bad guy. Full stop.
In a broad, philosophical, humanitarian context okay, sure, maybe. However, in the specific context of a struggle were one side is trying to ethnically cleanse the other you usually have to be a dim coward to say that both sides are bad.
That's an argument we could have but it's not the one we're having. We're talking about the specific actions of these Hamas fighters. Even if, hypothetically, they are fighting for a good cause, the way they're going about it is SO abhorrent it renders their cause moot, morally.
And don't what about Israel because I know you want to. Israel is awful and that's also another separate conversation that we're not having.
Well, what is your argument? So what if some Hamas fighters allegedly did something bad (although it's not apparent that they've done anything besides collect a body, probably for ransom). Did the bombing of Dresden render the struggle against the Nazi's moot? Give me a break!
There's literal video of actual kidnappings
Get your apologist head out of the sand
I mean, really. Video of them standing over the bloody bodies of children, with guns, and them celebrating, and you say, what, they were probably just out for a morning stroll? Happened across a massacre that someone else did?
They need hostages and bodies to deter aerial bombing and to strengthen their negotiating position. What else are they going to do? It sucks that civilians get harmed, but that blood is on Israel's hands because ultimately they are the aggressor and occupier.
The blood is literally on the hands of the people who did the murdering.
Get out of here with your Narcissist's Prayer crap.
Who are you calling a narcissist here? The Palestinians are under Israeli occupation. The Israeli occupiers put them in this position. Rather, the Narcissist's Prayer poem fits the Israeli narrative pretty much perfectly.