1388
As a reminder... (lemmy.world)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] dx1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This thread was about whether or not it's "fair or accurate" to call them "genocidal". The word, "literally" taken down to its roots, does mean "geno" (people) "cide" (killing), but actual definitions in use are more nuanced. From the UN "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide", for instance:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[-] Shadywack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The UN's historically been an apologist for atrocities whenever the power benefits afford the defense of the reprehensible. Pulling out a UN Convention definition when politically convenient is a disgrace, much like the UN's history of confronting atrocities for the past 40 years.

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's basically an ad hominem. That's a commonly accepted definition, address the content specifically if you have an issue with it.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Israel is not doing any of the things listed

[-] dx1@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That wasn't my point either way - but, as a group, as a government, they plainly are.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They literally are not. What you're missing is that shooting someone in combat scenarios is not "killing members of the group/causing serious bodily/mental harm to members of the group" as genocide is defined. Murdering them wholesale is. Intentionally starving them, as with the Holodomor, is.

None of the rest is even arguably happening at all. There is no way to construe their relationship as genocidal.

The reason why is right there in the opening: with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

Are Israel's policies discriminatory? Yes. Oppressive? Hell yes. Poorly conceived, authoritarian bullshit? I'm right there with you. Genocide? No.

Things can be wrong and need changing without being literally the worst thing.

[-] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Intentionally starving them

None of the rest is even arguably happening

they literally said they're cutting off food.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, they're blockading food imports. By forming an absolute blockade, they prevent/significantly reduce weapons and personnel trafficking.

If civilians start starving en masse, you will absolutely see international calls of genocide.i will be among the first to the podium on that one.

[-] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

you will absolutely see international calls of genocide.

we already are, and you're saying it's a lie. i have no reason to think you'll ever change your tune.

[-] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What you’re missing is that shooting someone in combat scenarios

this same reasoning would mean the nazis were justified in violently suppressing ghetto uprisings.

this post was submitted on 07 Oct 2023
1388 points (85.1% liked)

Political Memes

5426 readers
1828 users here now

Welcome to politcal memes!

These are our rules:

Be civilJokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.

No misinformationDon’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

Posts should be memesRandom pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.

No bots, spam or self-promotionFollow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS