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The world’s largest democracy is collapsing before our eyes (www.vox.com)
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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Again, you Wikipedia is not exactly the most reliable source for these things, and I've provided you with very different numbers from other sources. Pretty much every source that accounts for stuff like PPP shows that China is doing quite well compared to the west. However, you once again ignore the fact that the west had a head start, and that the wealth in the west comes from colonialism. China's growth doesn't come at the cost of impoverishment of other countries the way western growth does. Finally, the really important part is the trajectory. Life in China is improving, life in the west is getting worse.

And claiming that when I'm arguing in bad faith or moving goal posts when I've been consistently saying the same thing and backing up with sources says everything I need to know about you. Bye.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I am still waiting to see your sources on any of this tbh

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Not sure what you're waiting for given that I've already provided you sources backing everything I said.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Well then it should be easy for you to consolidate them in one comment.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I'm not going to waste more time on you. It's pretty clear you're just going to keep ignoring everything I say and repeating the same thing like a broken record. You don't want to have an honest discussion here.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

On the contrary, I am trying to have a conversation. I have attempted to address every premise you've offered with a combination of history, data and personal experience. I don't believe you have offered sources for many of your claim, but in case I missed them, it would be helpful if you provided a summary.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you are trying to have a conversation then we're clearly talking past each other. My points are as follows.

  • We see consistent and steady improvement in the quality of life of people in China. I've provided many sources demonstrating this.
  • China has a stable economy that does not see constant crashes the way western economies do.
  • The government of China is working in the interest of the public, and has popular support from the vast majority of people who live in China. This is again supported by the numerous resources I've provided.
  • The government of China predominantly consists of working class people.
  • The economy of China is directed towards the interests of the majority, and all the core economy, such as energy production, is publicly owned.
  • The disparity in wealth with the west comes from the west brutally exploiting the global south to enrich western nations. Despite this, the standards of living in the west continue to decline.
  • Practically all the improvements in the standard of living have come from China in the past decades, meanwhile the standard of living globally has actually declined.

I have sourced all these claims in this thread.

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