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Iran warns Israel it will intervene if Gaza operation continues, report claims
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Oh the rogue nation wants to play along? Isn't supporting the Russians against my country enough?
The Palestinians are in the same position as Ukraine, if not further down. Ukraine has been lucky to have Western support, the other path was to end up like Palestine.
when did Ukraine supported and voted for a degenerated terror militia that wants to eradicate the Jews? I must have missed that...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Israel supported and helped prop up Hamas as a way to keep Palestine from unifying and forming a legitimate government.
Not Israel -- Specifically Netanyahu's far right political project
and that legitimate their attack on Israel or what are you trying to say?
In your previous comment you implied that Palestine voted for a terror militia to eradicate the Jews. Essentially piling all of the responsibility on top of the Palestinian people. I shared that link to show that Israel shoulders some of the blame as well.
People defending Israel are starting to sound like a broken record "dO yOu cOnDOne ThE aTTaCKs?" Come on dude, very few people actually support the mass slaughter of civilians, and it still doesn't absolve Israel of their behavior.
I don't give Israel absolution at all...all involved parties in this conflict have fucked up big time. This conflict is way to complicated that a dipshit like me can come up with a solution. I just don't like those whole Palestine good, Israel bad and vice versa simple mindset.
At a very cynical day I would say let them kill each other off and give the land to all the refugees from around the world. This conflict is one of the most, if not the most degenerate one...
Sure thing, that antisemitism is a common practice in the surrounding countries has clearly nothing to do with that.
So because they're so opressed they can't vote a leader, and even their leaders can't do anything they somehow deserve to be eradicated from this earth? For some mere votes?
You're justifying genocide for such a stupid reason? Wow..
Do you not know how analogies work? No analogy is perfect.
For example, Russia hasn't been an occupying force in Ukraine for 60+ years. Russia hasn't been actively genociding (yes, this is genocide, read the UN Convention on Genocide) Ukrainians on their own land for 60+ years.
Did you miss that part too?
I missed the point never to discuss with an idiot...because kiddo your analogy is not just "not perfect" it is completely utter bullshit.
Why is it when someone has no argument left they always resort to calling people "kiddo"? Is there like a "losing a fight" manual where you guys get this from?
Got it from your mom, kiddo
According to the tanks, soon as they voted for Zelensky since they won't shut up about how Azov are apparently his personal goon squad or some shit
Ukraine supports Azerbaijan which is just the same. Now you haven't missed that.
Armenia is a Russian ally. They fucked themselves with that one.
You mean, Armenia chose to make Turkey part of NATO in 1952? Oops. That's because you are an obvious lying piece of dirt. Get outta here.
How is that even relevant? Armenia was part of the Soviet Union in 1952 up until 1991. After its independence in 1992 Armenia signed a security treaty with ex Soviet states which is now part of the CSTO. You don't need to be part of NATO to ally yourself with western countries, Armenia could have pursued security guarantees with other western nations. There is also the often overlooked aspect of Armenia expelling Azeri people from their lands and invading land that is internationally recognized as Azerbaijan which probably didn't do them any favors post Soviet dissolution.
That's relevant because "the West" is already allied to the biggest genocidal state in the region, which rules out all the most direct ways of security cooperation. Armenia didn't have any real options but Russia in the 90s. And at that point even the second Chechen war hadn't yet happened, so even in dreams Russia was better than Iran.
And the reason Russia is bad now is not because of it being against "the West", but because it's not really an option. It's just directly hostile not only to NK, as we've already seen for the last 3-11 years, but also for Armenia itself and its independence and even existence.
And also I don't think I've heard or read anything which would suggest that Armenia ever got any offers from "the West" to "choose" from.
Azerbaijan started a war and lost those in a counteroffensive. Armenians have the right to defend themselves.
Azerbaijan had a simple way to get those districts back very quickly - take an obligation that they won't attack again. Look up all the peace propositions since the ceasefire and till 2020, the Armenian side basically agreed to all of them, even really catastrophic ones (like swapping Meghri for NK). Each and every proposition was rejected by the Azeri side.
They didn't want to do that, they wanted to become stronger and finish what they've started. Which means that Armenian prolonged control over those districts was entirely justified (by having a more defendable frontline, which still didn't help due to Armenian/NK military being rotten to the bone).
Also FYI Azerbaijan controlled large swathes of Armenian (as in RoA, mostly in Tavush) and NK (mostly Shahumyan and Getashen) territory since the first war till 2020 (and still does, of course), somehow nobody talks about that occupation. And, of course, Azerbaijan expelled more Armenians than NK expelled Azeris. Pogroms, mass murders, expulsions etc against Armenians were the reason NK declared independence in the first place.
In short, that aspect is not "often overlooked", it just doesn't give you anything.
Only if you assume Iran is an infallible moral authority and not an authoritarian regime working to further it's own interests. I am not defending Iran but I'll be damned if I'll let people who are being oppressed shit on other people being oppressed.
All countries foreign policy is based on the pursuit of power regardless of morality or consistency.
It's not an alliance of shared ideals. They support Russia because the West supports Ukraine.