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Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
(www.timesofisrael.com)
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2023
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I wonder where all the people from yesterday are now...for them it was damn sure Israel and if you made the mistake to publish this second opinion or made the suggestion to wait for other sources your were downvoted into oblivion...
But also with this new source I would wait until it is verified independently. I really like this approach from our german news station Tagesschau, where all news get a label until they are verified by different, independent sources. Makes fake news a lot less common.
It would not be the first time Israel has targeted health treatment facilities
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/21/gaza-bombing-hospital-israel/
I think most people were rightly suspicious because it has happened before.
just to be very clear here: Even if this cruel and should be absolutely prevented, when the space around or the medical facility itself is used by the enemy forces to launch attacks or store ammunition or other equipment, it makes it a valid, military target. Attacking a hospital is not automatically a war crime as it is declared by many here...
I would go as far to say that using a hospital or civilian building as a base of operations to launch missiles from is the war crime in this scenario. If innocent people die from retaliation for that, the blood is on the hands of the people who chose to use civilians as meat shields and make them a target in the first place.
Edit: To be clear, this isn't a pro-Israel comment. Fuck them. I was just saying that if Hamas actually used hospitals as launch sites or military bases they would be the ones who are responsible. I don't know for certain if they did or didn't at this time.
It actually is a war crime to do that
this article is 25 minutes old at time of writing, how is anyone supposed to talk about any of this stuff when you start comments like this.
German news already posted about this yesterday and I added it to the thread from yesterday which is now deleted...
damn those people for not reading your comment on a thread from yesterday that is now deleted, what are they even doing? they need to answer for themselves.
LOL and then everyone downvotes you, proving your point further. You're right though, last night was a shitshow of people taking sides with almost no data and then downvoting anyone on the other team.
They don't care that they were wrong. The next time Hamas claims Israel did something bad they will believe it instantly and only question whatever IDF says. It's not about the truth but what they wished the truth was.
Both sides of the argument are so entrenched they engage in cognitive dissonance and cherry picking almost constantly.
I'm skeptical of both claims, but so far the evidence leans far more on it being Israeli strike. Especially with their continuously changing narrativem
Uh... take a look at this.
https://kbin.social/m/world@lemmy.world/t/548047/Israel-kills-500-in-Gaza-hospital-massacre#entry-comment-3020730
Maybe not 100% Israel, but a good 99.9%.
Also quick reminder that Hamas rockets can't cause the scale of destruction that happened to the hospital. This is much more believable from an IDF airstrike.
At the very least, you should look at all evidence given to us before making a judgement.
Alone that you are saying "Hamas" rockets shows that you have not really dove into the topic. Because not even Israel claimed it was Hamas, but Islamic Jihad, which is a distinct group. Furthermore, they also had an argument regarding the increased damage.
I suggest you look at what we know first, before you make a judgement like "99.9%". This disinformation shit happens on both sides and it must be stopped. The situation doesn't get any clearer by people doing this.
Not saying that there are vile people that are just rooting for their football team no matter what happens, but I did fine here offering the opinion that both statements were - at the time - equally not backed by evidence. I did mention, that the Guardian did mention that the size of explosion is more than usual for the weapons of the militants, but even that didn't necessearily mean that it was Israel.
If we're looking at this we should look at all neews criticial, especially if one supports a side over the other. It's too easy to fall for hopeful rumours and fantasies anyways. Seen too many people who just go on any unbacked claim by either side "aha! I knew it". It's a volatile and chaotic situation and a lot of bad actors just try to score points.