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Nothing private in fediverse except when you are selfhosting yourself.
and not interacting with anyone else.
🤣🤣
I’m off to my cabin in the woods
If post views are public that’s a fairly poor implementation on the developers part. I’m sure it will change over time.
E.g. someone using your account to view illegal content in a community you are not a member of, and you being held accountable.
I think the in the current implementation, your post views is not public. But any data you have is still accessible to your instance admin.
I'm about to self host, sounds like a great move towards data privacy and ownership.
Nope. Everything you do is sent to all other instances. If you upvote your instance sends that upvote to the instance where the community lives and that instance broadcasts your vote to alle instances that subscribe to that community. Every instance operator can see the upvotes.
Well then nevermind! I need to go read about activity pub protocol.
At least your password hash not accessible by anyone but you.. and your dm is also only accessible by your recipient and his/her admin... 😅
Would be awesome if you could just install an application onto your machine to be self hosted from
I mean, you can, that's literally the definition of self hosting.
While you're 100% correct Lemmy would feel pretty slow running on your normal computer unless you keep it online and powered on 24/7. Since Lemmy fetches new content continuously and being offline causes a big backlog which will take time to process. It also presents a few extra challenges since you need a domain and cert and a home static IP isn't super common which means you need dynamic dns and have to set that up. Any restart where you get a new IP will be even slower since you need your updated A host record to propagate before your Lemmy instance can fetch the backlog. Those issues aside though you could absolutely just run it like any dockerized application on your normal computer.
If your lemmy goes offline- there is a good chance it WONT catch-up.
Servers only retry sending content so many times. ActivityPub PUSHES, rather then pulls mostly.
Not too bad then, at that point it just depends how they handle log storage on the instance you are visiting.
Thanks for clarifying.
These are upvotes and downvotes. I doubt views are logged anywhere, apart from the webserver.
It's not possible to make votes private is your care about no manipulation happening. Otherwise any self hosted instance could just communicate any made up amount of votes.
Cant they? Sure, they would have to make up new users instead of simply saying a number, but what is actually preventing that?
We can monitor actual active users that an instance has. Anything artificial in volumes enough to have an impact would be noticeable in some way to other instances.
Can't someone talk ActivityPub directly and do this? If the instance is responsible to authenticate the users, the instance can just directly talk ActivityPub to the rest of the network and tell it users and votes on the fly, without even Lemmy running there.
Given the number of lurkers on Reddit, you would probably end up with a lot of false flags.
Without a common authentication scheme that every instance checks against... Probably anyone can do it. I don't know how you'd even approach this. Signed messages via GPG with a common pubkey host? Some blockchain scheme for authentication that obviates the need for a central host? I've no idea.
Yeah anyone can create dummy accounts on an instance.
Can you explain what you mean here? How would someone else be using your account without your knowledge?
Sounds to me like they are trying to make scapegoats for looking at illicit content.
You’re reading too much into my comment.
I am a software engineer, and am always thinking of user experiences in my day job. This is simply the scenario that popped into my mind, but many do exist.
Besides hacking, phishing scams, and pranks. Users trick others all the time into viewing content they didn’t mean to view.
My concern isn’t so much that this can happen at all, but rather that if views were public, how it’d be trivial to write software that auto bans users based on those views. Without great moderation tools, and petitioning it wouldn’t scale well.
I may have replied to the incorrect content, but, I meant to reply to this one above.
Your friend or classmate would be like "You've got games on your phone?" then when you're not looking they'll try to access your social media.
I suppose, but then they're going to look up illicit content on said account in the hopes of framing you for a crime? That's quite a stretch.
I was just providing a scenario that came to mind. I am sure many exist outside the one I described.
Nobody has mentioned crime, so I am not sure where that came from. Accountability can come in many forms, and often on the internet users will be banned or excluded based on their direct actions. However, if views were public, it would be trivial to setup a bot to autoban users from communities before they even join, based solely on what they’ve seen.
As I’ve explained elsewhere, this is just what popped into my mind.
Many scenarios exist where you view content you did not intend on viewing.
For example, have you ever been Rick Rolled?
Hacked passwords?
But that could apply to any online account not something unique to Lemmy.