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Israel calls Hamas' claim it rejected hostage release 'propaganda'
(www.reuters.com)
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Why does Hamas need Israel's agreement to release hostages? Can't they release them to the Egyptian border guards at Rafah border crossing in the South?
Even if they can't release them to Egypt, they could put them at the border, and tell the news agencies hey these are hostages being released, and put a live video feed on them standing at the border. I promise you Egypt would not leave them standing there indefinitely. The media coverage alone would get them to at least take the hostages over the border.
Hell, they could take them to a UN compound and release them into the custody of the UN.
Because that way they won't be able to extort goods and services for the hostages .. so sad seeing good hostage wasted...
In this press release Hamas said they tried to release more prisoners but Israeli wouldn't accept them.
If Hamas is being genuine, there shouldn't be any tit for tat on a humanitarian hostage release.
I'm just trying to demonstrate how The Hamas statement feels demonstrably disingenuous. Because they have other options.
Hamas is not a good actor, the plight of the people in the Gaza strip does not helped by Hamas being such a bad actor.
you make everything look simple. I'm slightly fascinated. then I get back into reality and I remember there's a cruel, blind war, and huge interests and plans going far over the borders of Isreal and Gaza.
the spiraling hate between parts? ah! silly them! "why they don't just..."
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Not constantly, not every minute. Get them close to the border and then tell Egypt they're there. Tell the press they're there
Or released to the Red Cross, or the UN inside of The Gaza strip.
I'm unemployed I'm going to respond to every single message you post replying to me.
I asked you this already, don't be dishonest, with what internet? With what electricity?
What press my guy? They kicked aljazera out and bombed the AP building a few years ago with no evidence given. They've killed 23 journalists since the beginning of the month
There are reporters for Al Jazeera and other organizations in the Gaza strip. Charging a cell phone, using satellite internet, all things available to a government.
And if not the government, the UN in Red Cross have communication capabilities.
Israel kicked Al Jazeera out of there Israeli offices, Al Jazeera still has reporters in the Gaza strip, you just have to go to their web page and see their daily reports
Israel's killing a lot of journalists it's true, and there are journalists there because it's important, there are journalists there because their Palestinian they can't leave. Media is still getting out
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/israel-palestine-conflict/
But let's take your point to its logical conclusion, how could Hamas tell us that they're unable to release hostages if they don't have access to the internet?
Yes, I didn't say they revoked the journalists citizenship. Israel bombed the AP building 2 years ago. Israel has bombed a bunch of hospitals and ambulances. Israel is killing humanitarian aid.
The UN wasn't able to get in for like 3 days after a ceasefire on the border was negotiated. These are not realistic suggestions.
You only need wired electricity to (record a video and) tell us they're unable to release hostages. Showing a livestream of them releasing hostages requires mobile internet+electricity and requires at least one additional point of internet+(wired) electricity (the tower to broadcast the phone signal).
I'll grant you the logistics behind a live stream would be interesting in a war zone.
But they do have the capability to communicate their activities, to get hostages to be picked up quickly by either Egypt, the Red Cross, or the UN.
If you can admit that then I can admit that dropping them off with the Red Cross and taking photos of the release and airdropping them to like 20 homies (or like 2 journalists) should provide enough evidence to be recovered in case of disaster.
But with how quickly disinformation is spread, with the asymmetric technical capabilities, with the fact that 2 hostages were just released safely with no issue, I don't blame Hamas for trying to do this as safely as possible.
Source on Egypt bombing the border crossings cuz I'm pretty sure that's Israel?
Yeah Egypt's not bombing the border. I don't know where you got that impression, but that's definitely not something I said
Well because if you've been paying attention at all it's very clear that it isn't safe to cross the border because someone is not allowing it
Yeah it's dangerous. But I didn't say Egypt was bombing the border.
You're not disagreeing that someone is though
Israel is bombing the Rafah border crossing. They've even published reports saying they've done it.
I never said Egypt was. This whole discussion started when you said I said that Egypt was bombing the border crossing. Something I've never said.