97
Israel calls Hamas' claim it rejected hostage release 'propaganda'
(www.reuters.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2023
97 points (88.8% liked)
World News
38563 readers
3614 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I think the balance of probability is demonstrates that's Hamas is lying here. If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border. To claim that they need Israelis agreement, and support to release a hostage is extremely disingenuous.
Honestly, it sounds like they're just trying to get a sound bite for propaganda purposes. It doesn't matter that it's obviously a lie, the people who can see it's a lie aren't the ones the propaganda's for.
They did drop two hostages to the Red Cross just 2 days ago.
Great. Why can't they do that again? Why press release that Israel is preventing them from releasing two more hostages with no strings attached?
No one said or suggested they can't do thart again. It's saying Israel doesn't want to cooperate.
I don't want to believe Hamas straight away but Israel is the one with the track record of lies.
My point is, why does it matter if Israel cooperates or not? There's many places to release the hostages to that aren't Israeli.
So this press release, and the implication of it, looks like straight propaganda based on a lie.
Why does it matter if Israel, whose citizens and visitors are hostages, responds to a request to release the hostages?
Give me a break. Israel always gets absolved in everything doesn't it.
Yeah it could be propaganda but your reasoning is really deficient here.
I'm sorry you think that way. I am genuinely pro-Palestinian freedom. Antiapartheid. But I'm not going to take propaganda at face value. We have to critically think about all the data we're getting.
Hamas saying they are unable to release two hostages is false on the face of itself. To claim that they are unable to release hostages because of Israeli resistance is also demonstrably false. We both agree, in this very conversation, the Hamas could drop off anybody they want to the Red Cross at any time. The fact that they're unwilling to do that, and blame Israel, demonstrates this is a false propaganda narrative.
This is not a dichotomy, you're not pro-Hamas or pro Israeli. There's more positions to that. Both of the belligerent military forces here have demonstrated themselves to lie constantly. We can dislike both of them and still want Palestinian freedom, and the end of apartheid.
But if my logic is incorrect, please help me understand my logical errors here.
Your "why does it matter if" and resting your argument on it. I don't see it. Why wouldn't Israel negotiate about hostage release? It has done so in the past successfully. Hamas isn't pulling a wildcard here.
Looking at Israeli public opinion, it seems that no one believes this is a good way to handle the hostage situation. We can talk about Hamas lying all day but it's quite likely true that hostages have died in Israeli bombing of Gaza itself. Again, Israel has a bigger goal here that goes beyond those hostages. Their own governments are betraying them, it's not fair. Israel's actions indicate that their concern for the wellbeing of those hostages is not genuine.
Okay. Because you didn't indicate any of my logic was incorrect. Do we both agree Hamas is lying about their intention to release two hostages with no strings attached? The demonstration of the lie is the fact that they haven't done it.
Everything you said about the intent of Israel may or may not be true, but that's not the subject here. This whole post is about Hamas lying about wanting to release hostages. It has nothing to do with Israel.
No, we don't agree. For me it's inconclusive.
I don't see how this is more about Hamas and less about Israel, so maybe we aren't discussing stuff on the same level.
The post, and the news article it references, are about Hamas saying they want to release two people. We've discussed multiple ways they could release two people without interference by Israel. Israel not cooperating with Hamas may or may not be true. But it's a non sequiter. If I told you I wanted to pay my rent, but President Shanmugaratnam wouldn't agree with me on my plan to pay rent, you would rightly think that's nonsense, it's a non sequitur, the president of Singapore has nothing to do with me paying rent. Israel has nothing to do with Hamas releasing hostages to the Red Cross, or the UN, or to Egypt. These are independent things.
He is just pro hamas and bitiching when you call him out. You dont need ANYTHING to relase People. Just hand them over. It was done an uncountable Number of times in the History of Mankind. But Snek want to blame Israel. Thats it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Internally, Netanyahu can't afford to reject any semi reasonable offer. He also wants to be able to say he did anything positive. He'll hopefully be crucified no matter what, but in his eyes nothing is his fault and he's working hard at getting points for any achievement and blaming everything and anyone in the past millenia.