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Very clever... (lemmy.ml)

I'm trying out Obsidian for taking notes, and this made me laugh.

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[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 172 points 1 year ago
[-] folkrav@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's hard to hate nano, but IMHO there also isn't anything to like in particular either. It's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it lets people edit files... and that's pretty much all there is to it.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 147 points 1 year ago

You can use nano without having to read anything about nano. That might be the only thing that is better about it than vim, but it's a damn important thing.

[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 year ago

I have zero patience when trying to make small adjustments to files, which is what my command line text editor should be for. Nano just has everything at the bottom in case you forget (I do, frequently) so the workflow is ridiculously streamlined for me

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. It also has whole-line cut/uncut which is a godsend when working with config files

[-] indepndnt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim.

[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because it's easy, dd to delete a line and p to paste it somewhere else.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

it's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it does one job and that's all there is to it

That's what the people who like it like about it.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago

That’s it’s job

What else is there for it to do?

[-] folkrav@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, why compare it with vim at all then. Apples and oranges...

[-] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah it literally follows the UNIX philosophy

[-] Spider89@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Forget KISS, amirite.

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

nano is just... There when you need a text editor for something. Simple and purposeful

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[-] marduk@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like nano because it has worked any time I needed it. I don't dislike nano because I'm not good enough at Linux to have ever run into its limitations

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

I never get the need to use vim and nano exists.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill.

Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better.

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 30 points 1 year ago

Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor.

(To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.)

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago

Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE.

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[-] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted?

vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

"You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car"

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE.

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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments.

(Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh)

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[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It literally has a built in scripting language.

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No.

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[-] Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Vim is an IDE"

https://www.vim.org/ -> Vim is a highly configurable text editor

Press X to doubt

[-] techt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

In case of a house fire, I'd only escape with two things: my cat and my .vimrc

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[-] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 1 year ago

I guess it depends on if you're the type of person who sees VSCode as an IDE or just a text editor.

Vim is effectively the same way.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Nano is for those that occasionally edit text files from a terminal.

Vim is for those who make a living out of it.

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[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

If you edit files a lot vim is worth its weight in gold. Nano makes me want to kill myself as everything takes so much longer.

Nano is perfectly sufficient for a very rare edit.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros.

Especially if you have any form of RSI.

I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user.

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[-] uzay@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago

It just makes a lot of stuff way easier once you know how to use it. Switching out a word for another: two button-presses, duplicating a line: three presses, deleting 500 consecutive lines: five presses

[-] xilliah@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

What if I want to undo my life's mistakes.

[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 year ago

Church of Emacs is always there ;)

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[-] folkrav@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I never get the need to use a mechanical pencil and graphite pencils exists

[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

I’ll level with you: I’m kind of a moron.

If my command line text editor has its own bespoke integrated command line, then science has gone too far and we need to stop lmao

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[-] locuester@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago

nano gang checking in.

However, I’ve been forced over time to remember “:wq” to get unstuck should vim randomly appear.

[-] dukk@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

Alternatively, you can save a key and use :x (And :q! to quit without saving)

Yeah, that’s such a Vim user thing to say :P

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[-] ensignrick@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago

I personally like nano but it's what I used first. So I learned the commands. Vim I still forget Everytime.

[-] habanhero@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Pico gang reporting in.

[-] The_Walkening@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

100-com% of the time I'm using nano to edit something in the terminal, and it's usually something really minor. I'm using GUIs for the majority of my computing anyway, so if I need some robust text editing, I've got a bunch of easier-to-learn, easier-to-use options available, and that's totally ignoring things like awk, grep, sed, etc.

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