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Face mask effectiveness: What science knows now
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But my freedoms!
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Lockdown has made me realise that people don't crave freedom, they instead crave a lack of responsibility to a sociopathic level. They are unwilling to consider a greater good nor anything else beyond the immediate effect on themselves.
Lockdowns were the single biggest attack on freedom we've seen in our lifetime. We can never let them happen again
So what should we do next time there is another global pandemic? What's the alternative?
Lockdowns are not an option and never were.
Lockdowns were economic warfare against the poor and working class, there was no greater good, only disaster.
The lock downs were always going to be a failure. Stay-at-home measures should have been last resort due to harmful effects (the economic harms, the educational harms, the harms to access to healthcare, the harms to societal wellbeing … just the way we all function … and especially mental health).
We destroyed and entire generation with lockdowns. Gen Z will never recover from that.
Just going to ignore the suicides, massive decline in income, education, and society. But yes, no covid.
[Citation needed]
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2023/youth-suicide-rates-increased-during-the-covid-19-pandemic
That says the rates were higher than expected during pandemic, it does not say lockdowns were a cause.
It was the cause.
Your citation does not support that statement.
Lucky for me you're not my PhD mentor and this isn't graded. You don't have to accept that isolation lead to a huge up tick in suicides, but you can't provide a argument that it didn't.
Claims to be working on a PhD but can't cite sources to support their argument and wants others to prove a negative.
You've provided nothing to this conversation. Now your attempting to throw insults because you've failed to back up your claims. I'll take the win here. Good day.
The whole pandemic situation lead to increased stress and you want to blame it all on ineffective lockdowns. You have been a detriment to discussion.
Have fun with the participation trophy that you didn't earn.
There were zero safe lockdowns. ZERO
Wide spread lockdowns were an anti-science position that politicians went with to appear to be acting.
The science for responding to something like covid wasn't complete lockdown. It was isolating those at risk, quarantine the infected, do contact tracing, and limit large crowds of people.
It was the worst public safety decision I have witnessed in the United States. It made a bad situation worse.
The issue is not with lock downs, the issue is a piss poor government handling of the situation. Leaving everything "open" for business would have quite literally collapsed sectors of services to the point of potentially snow balling into something worse.
Everything should have remained open within countries, international borders should have closed for six months. International ports could operate with certain restrictions to prevent cross contamination.
Hospitals were on the verge of collapse WITH lock downs. Can you imagine how bad it would have been if everything remained open? How many people died because of covid WITH lock downs active? Hospitals fail because they are overwhelmed, and it spit balls from there. I believe your suggestion would have been catastrophic at the least.
Hospitals would have been regardless. Lockdowns didn't decrease spread because churches were the number one location for spread and they were exempt.
Lockdowns absolutely decreased spread. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/did-covid-lockdowns-work-heres-what-we-know-two-years
We are of course basing this on what we know. Had we done no lock downs, no masking. We can only guess at what would have happened.
Unfortunately religion prevented any lockdown from being a success.
https://theconversation.com/faith-in-numbers-is-church-attendance-linked-to-higher-rates-of-coronavirus-160527
That just says church causes higher chance of spread, not that lock downs don't work.