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I'm an ardent supporter of Israel and their right to defend themselves in these extreme times. This isn't that.
This is not okay. Targeting the tunnels is understandable. Targeting their leadership is understandable. Targeting a refugee camp is not acceptable, it's the sort of thing Hamas would do and I can't believe they've gone that far.
If this is the part that shocks you, you haven't been paying attention.
If you want to target the Hamas leaders then send in special forces to take them out in Qatar and other countries they hide out in. Send in precision teams to take the tunnels out without destroying towns above.
Don't kill 30,000 civilians for a handful of actual fighters.
But then how will they solve the Palestinian problem?
I'm sure Israel knows the Final Solution to the Palestinian problem.
A few weeks ago I didn't think I would have made so many genocide references.
A few years ago you would have been immediately banned for making such references. The west has been covering for Israel's crimes for seventy plus years now.
Should still be banned. Not enough people reporting.
Cry me some more hasbara tears.
But then who will kill the 30,000 civilians?
Besides... the only thing these "special forces" are really good for is murdering civilians - it's mostly the reason states keep them around.
I concur. Frankly, they're both a bunch of terrorists.
Tragically, one side had been receiving all kinds of war support for generations now and it's incredibly imbalanced.
I just don't understand how genocide can be a goal...
This is why people are saying Israel and the US created this crisis, because we've spent generations militarizing an apartheid state that subjugates and abuses Palestinians. Israel wanted to strengthen Hamas as a way to undermine the strength of a Palestinian state in Gaza:
Israel and the Western Allies have intentionally fed the flames of this conflict in order to consolidate power in the middle east.
I completely agree.
See that’s what I don’t get Israel created Hamas but nobody seems to acknowledge that. Decades of mistreatment bombings of course they’re going to eventually fight back.
This is only confusing if you (like most) assume western media is truly independent and impartial.
"never again" really meant "not us"
Taking an anti-genocide slogan used by Jews across the world and deriding it as hypocritical because one specific country of Jews is full of right wing shit bags... That's uh... that's something, anyway.
What's the problem? It's not like they're "people." /s
Honest question: after this, will you still continue to be? Because they're not done.
I'm a supporter of Israel, not its government.
Sadly, they're not going to stop until Hamas does or they're destroyed. Just today I was watching an interview where Hamas' second in command was saying they're going to continue to do 10/7 type attacks until Israel doesn't exist anymore. If you expect Israel's current government to sit back and let that happen, you're seriously mistaken. No country on earth would allow a neighbor to fire rockets randomly at civilians and call for their people to continue to murder Jews.
Hamas has made clear they are an existential threat to Israel and sadly, the Israeli government is taking the approach of meeting Hamas on their terms of engagement. It's getting harder to blame them but I do hope they would be better than the savages who are calling for the death of an entire ethnic group.
Correct, this is not defense.
It is revenge.
Sounds like they got 50 Hamas operatives among the 150.
Hamas needs to stop hiding amongst the civilians. If they're even civilians, I'm seeing far more cheering than protesting in the videos coming out of the strip.
If you support a white supremacist settler-colonialist state it means you support a white supremacist colonialist state.
End of story.
You can't colonize your own homeland. Jews are indigenous to Judea. Simple as that.
Israel is actually the greatest story of decolonization the world has ever seen.
60% of Israel is non white, what white supremacy is in place there? Get your facts straight before you go spouting your Anti Semitic bullshit.
Keep lathering up that suncream, colonist.
Riiight... and the white supremacists that ran Apartheid-South Africa and Rhodesia was just returning to claim their "homeland," too, amirite?
There is no such thing as an "indigenous" Israeli, genius - Israelis are about as "indigenous" as their Crusader predecessors are.
Funny how colonized spaces have this kind of thing in common, eh?
The term you're looking for is antisemitic, not "Anti Semitic" - learn how to spell something before feigning expertise in it. Once you've absorbed that, we can discuss how Zionism has always been an inherently antisemitic ideology invented by Christian antisemites, okay?
Nothing you've posted is backed by facts. Facts are Jews were there first. Facts are more than half of Israelis are Arab or non European, putting your Colonial argument in the trash
Your opinions, are based in your Anti Semitic Jew hatred, not surprised that a wannabe grammar Nazi is also a full on Nazi.
Save your fairy tales for your Nazi brethren, right-winger. There were Jewish people in Europe long before anyone there even called themselves Christian - so which part of Europe will you hand over to Jewish people to build an ethno-state with? I say... Switzerland should do very nicely, don't you think?
Spoken like a true antisemite.
Of course there were Jews in Europe before Christians LoL, Christianity is just a cheap Chinese knock off of Judaism. That in no way invalidates the history of the Israelite people. Even the fucking Pharaoh's talked about the Jews in Judea.
There's no need to hand Europe over, Israel is home and it's staying that way. ;)
Ooooh... please say that louder. Scream it from the rooftops. Maybe all the christofash will start thinking twice about supporting your precious little white supremacist kapo state - and if that happens, bye bye Israel.
That's what the Crusaders told themselves, too.
They stopped defending themselves roughly 3 days before the Hamas attack. Not sure what level of genocide was comfortable to you?
Those tunnels were always a propaganda tool of Israel too, by the way. They were built because of the total blockade of Gaza that made tunnels the only method for Palestinians to trade with Israel and the wider world (Remember Israel blockades Gaza's access to the ocean too!). If these were purely military in their purpose, Israel would've cleared them all out a long time ago but the reality is that these tunnels were a benefit to the economy of both sides.
Hamas using those tunnels to resist the Israeli occupation and cleansing of Palestinian communities is a side-effect, sure, but you're clearly too receptive of the propaganda of Israel if you think tunnels are an excuse for indiscriminate bombing of civilian infrastructure.
Are you joking right now? Those tunnels, aka the Hamas highway are absolutely fair game in this war. Just like Ukraine destroyed infrastructure to hinder the Russians advancing, the routes of supply are a part of the theatre of war and always have been.
As sad as it is, this bombing wasn't indiscriminate. They had a large number of targets including high value ones located in the area. The area is sitting on top of a tunnel system known to be used to traffic materials used to attack Israel. I don't agree with Israel bombing a refugee camp but I also don't agree Hamas putting all of those people intentionally at risk like they intentionally did.
As has been noted countless times, when Hamas stops using human shields, this madness will stop much faster.
Hamas hasn't even been in control of half of palestine for decades and you know what happened there? MORE violence against the occupied palestinians. MORE displacement. MORE settlement and murder.
The part Zionist apologists wont admit is that Hamas and their armed resistance is the only reason Gaza has survived as long as it has. Making colonists afraid of setting foot in Gaza is the only reason there's any palestine left to fight over.
If Israel disappeared tomorrow, the genocide stops. If Hamas disappeared tomorrow, the genocide continues.
Those are the stakes. But don't let me stop you cheering on the death of children behind the crocodile tears of "but hamas".
This is the sort of propaganda that I just have to laugh at. History proves you entirely wrong, and unfortunately because of the likes of you and your bigoted brethren, Israel isn't going to have a choice but to wipe Hamas entirely off the map. You're probably one of those people who claim Hamas doesn't operate out of the West Bank. Hamas will take a lot of civilians with them, including the cancer patients in desperate need of the fuel Hamas is stockpiling but they're gone. It's only a matter of time now that Gaza city has been encircled.
You love the blood shed. You love stoking the flames of hate. You're getting what you wished for, I hope you enjoy it. No sane person would.
Lmfao you started this threat pretending the violence was too much. You're almost gagging at the opportunity to hop on a merkava tank and crush what's left of Gaza city into dust. How many dead kids will make you happy? because earlier you looked like you'd have said 0 but once you're pushed even slightly you're practically salivating for death as long as the fascists tell you one of the dead was a bad guy.
You're the blood thirsty one calling for the destruction of the state of Israel. That's the rhetoric that's going to sadly lead to many people dying.
That's on you and your Anti-semitic ilk. Your the people willing to spill the blood of the Palestinians in your hatred of Jews, and now the Jews are simply fed up and are meeting your kind on your level.
You're kind just isn't good enough to come out alive here.
When you stop, so will the violence.
Where is the antisemitism in this conversation? I just don't see it. Do you think opposition to Israel's genocidal conduct is the same thing?
Calling for a ceasefire....is literally calling for Jews to accept their slaughter. Hamas said just YESTERDAY, they intend on continuing to murder Jews until Israel has been destroyed.
If you can't see how that lopsided 'accountability' is deeply Anti Semitic, that's your problem.
Calling out the Israeli government for its actions is far different from from the country shouldn't exist or that it should stop defending itself when the other party has made clear they will continue to murder if that happens. I've yet to see the Palestinian supporters calling for Hamas to stop sending rockets into Israel. 6000 by last count.
Convenient for the radical right-wing government of Israel that the only possible thing they can do is exterminate everybody they don't like.
Is it the kind of thing Hamas would do I do know it’s the kind of thing Israel does and this isn’t the first. It’s easy to say oh we killed civilians but we share targeting tunnels or something.
Don't you realize this is where they put the tunnels ? And this 'refugee camp' is a city
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp
What if it was a town named after a refuge camp?
dude, yikes.
He's right, it's not like they are living in tents