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[-] dlpkl@lemmy.world 134 points 1 year ago

It's textbook genocide. They've seen they can get away with anything under the guise of war, so why not just solve all their issues and make sure no one's alive to return to their homes?

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

What was the old sarcastic quip from Vietnam vets?

"Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out."

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The origin of that (specifically "Kill Them All and Let God Sort It Out") is way older than that, back all the way to the 13th century and the Cruzades.

I vaguelly remembered it being from a source older than that so I went and looked it up.

[-] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Charlie can't surf.

[-] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

under the guise of war

There's no guise. This is the way war has been prosecuted for millennia. The Geneva Convention, UNHRC, etc. are blips. War is genocide and always has been. Only in the late modern to post-modern era has war been something other than the complete annihilation of your enemies and their culture, including all the infanticide and rape that implies. If you're, for instance, the US prosecuting a war for nebulous geopolitical reasons, then you can slap up a veneer of rules and conduct. If it's a war of territorial expansion, on the other hand, you'd better be prepared to do what it takes to stamp out any trace of the people who originally lived there, or at least leave those who remain so broken and disempowered that they'll never pose a threat.

Expect more like Ukraine & Palestine as the US's grip on hegemony slips, and as we continue to slowly forget the lessons of the World Wars.

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 3 points 1 year ago

This is not true. There are hundreds of cultures around today who were conquered and just left to live until their conquerors eventually moved out. The Jews themselves have literally been conquered a dozen times.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not quite true. While there were many wars of cultural genocide, (culture is a great control tool), wars of physical genocide were largely reserved for religious wars and punishment wars. Not gonna pay that tithe or surrender the second you see us? Congratulations, you're an example. Espouse a different religious truth? You're a threat that must be made an example.

For the most part they understood the value of human capital and didn't want to destroy it if they didn't have to.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think Ukraine has reestablished American hegemony. It's showcased how powerful it is to have American support, and galvanized NATO once more.

I honestly don't think you can tie Palestine into this. This conflict has never been indicative of any global influence. This is where global influence does nothing in the face of intense hatred.

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have one of Mahmoud Darwish's books right here, goes into pretty significant detail about Israel's attempts to stamp out Palestinian culture in the earliest years:

https://blogs.transparent.com/arabic/write-down-i-am-an-arab/

https://www.wrmea.org/2017-november-december/id-card-by-mahmoud-darwish-a-translation-and-commentary.html

As the book details, he wrote this and then performed it on a stage in Israel, to their outrage, I think it said around 1958.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I admit, I've been skeptical of this for a while because I couldn't think of a reason why they'd want to do this.

And I realized today. There doesn't have to be some grand reason. Killing them all ensures Hamas is killed too. They'll destroy Palestine because it's easier and safer for them to indiscriminately bomb the place. That's reason enough. :/

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 3 points 1 year ago

But it won't kill hamas. It'll just breed more of them living in all the countries surrounding Israel.

[-] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well they're fascist, I'm not sure why you expect them to be consistent or logical

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