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Reddit is talking about hiding Reddit from Google. I hope they do that because it will let Lemmy start to replace Reddit as the go to source for non-SEO, real-human answers.
Except each instance has its own URL meaning ranking for ANYTHING is extremely hard since each domain’s rank will always be weak in the sea of others. Each is even being penalised by the algorithm if there are duplicate content mirrored between different URLs. It’s the weakness of the fediverse if we are to follow how search engines have worked in the last decades. Maybe it will lead to new search engines (I hope so) but right now it is not going to work well to replace for example Reddit … or rank well in general at all.
I wonder if there’s a way around this that we can create, instead of doing nothing or hoping google adapts.
Like a dummy instance that catalogues everything on all instances (but also links to the original posts) for the purpose of showing up on google search.
Since this instance isn’t for posting but for search engine indexing, there may be some otherwise undesirable micro-optimizations that can help improve its chances of showing up.
Yes, this would be possible (and not too hard technically either). But all instances would have to agree to link this instance as canonical.
You'd also want to add a feature where you can set you home instance where this canonical instance would redirect you (perhaps even automatically). Home Assistant does something like that.
What pisses me most about Lemmy is that each instance has its own post IDs which means that crosslinking and switching instances based purely on URLs is impossible.
IMO posts should have random GUIDs for IDs; that would help a ton with these kinds of issues. It'd then be trivial for Google to detect same content (if they wish) this way
At first I was thinking a GUID might be impossible because of federation, but a simple implementation might be to use the post ID from instance the community lives on
So something like
Display https://lemmy.ca/c/cats/123444 for
lemmy.ca/post/123444Display https://lemmy.world/c/cats@lemmy.ca/1234444 for
lemmy.world/post/98736The point of random GUIDs is that there are so many that it's effectively impossible to generate duplicates just by random chance. They'd be perfect for this.
The initial instance picks it, and then the federated instances use it.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !cats@lemmy.ca, !cats@lemmy.ca/1234444
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Would another option be like having every post have some kind of anchor of invisible text or something with "lemmy" so when I search for "best washing machine lemmy" it'll show all posts across instances or something. Idk if that's how SEO works entirely though.
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Each post refers to the poster's home domain as the canonical URL, regardless of which instance you're viewing it on specifically to avoid duplication SEO concerns
Thanks, I didn’t know that and never bothered to look. But then you still have the (SEO) issue of all the domains vs one in the case of Reddit or Quora or Stack Overflow. But yeah, a few very large Lemmy instances will probably start to rank well once they have enough good content.
Didn't know that's the case, that's neat though it doesn't solve the redirect back to your home instance.
It'll also probably lead to centralization because if you're more likely to find a particular instance through search and decide to join Lemmy you're probably going to do so on that instance.
If the Fediverse gets big enough search engines wil probably optimize for it e.g. prioritizing the instance of the community...
"Good 4k tvs without bloat, site:lemm... oh."
One of the main reasons reddit mega turned to shit was due to far too many people joining and using it, granted this is due to mobile phones but is it really worth it to attract more and more people? These instances are run by average people not corps with money they can easily collapse under tuw burden of to many
This anti user attitude is so lame. It's some real hipster nonsense.
It's really not, when it's been proven time and time again that more people doing something ruin that something it should become obvious that lots and lots of people is a detriment
The reddit front page is a classic example of that, the general state of the internet proves it too, beaches/music festivles are both great examples too
That's not even thinking about the cost of everything and corporate meddling either
It is so fascinating to me there are people out there who really mistake their own subjective experiences as iron objective truths. Just a complete lack of self awareness. It's like how babies lack object permanence.
Its been proven? Really. Do tell.
I like how you ignored the examples I gave you
As we know, listing examples constitutes proof.
Hey bud, I think you should read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion
Yes like all the people using rice for food has totslly ruined rice
Dont even get me started on indoor plumbing. Was so much better before it got popular.
The cool thing about the fediverse is that if grows to much where and the moderation turns to crap on some instances, you can always defederate from those problem instances and avoid the trouble makers entirely. Instance admins can always turn off sign ups when they feel like they have reached their limits for moderation as well. And users can always self host their own instances and only let the people they trust sign up. The fediverse is more resilient than traditional corporate run social media
Reddit is not moderated by paid corporate employees. It's all volunteer labor.
Moderation is not the issue, the sheer cost to host the tremendous amount of data is very likely to be a reason an instance goes down, thats what I'm getting at