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submitted 10 months ago by gedaliyah@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Quote: "We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We're simply calling for the stop of oppression and genocide and ethnic cleansing, if that constitute supporting Hamas then you be you.

[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

No, I mean people literally calling Hamas "freedom fighters", and outright cheering them on. There's a difference between "calling for the stop of oppression and genocide and ethnic cleansing" and blatantly supporting the actions of a terror organization.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

People cheer for nazis, too. Are you going to make a generic claim that "It's mind-blowing that people defend these monsters" as well? Maybe you should make a comment about people who "defend" mass shooters too! Let's not forget all those "defenders" of eugenics.

Just because you see one or two people making propaganda doesn't mean it's something reasonable people are doing.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

People cheer for nazis, too. Are you going to make a generic claim that "It's mind-blowing that people defend these monsters" as well?

Yes. If I ever see a significant number of people defending the Nazis in spaces I speak in I will say exactly that.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago

Man, when you go outside some time you're going to have your mind absolutely shattered at all the surprising things people do.

It's a meaningless phrase meant to distance yourself from something distasteful. It has no bearing on anything but the person saying it, unless they're using it as a dog-whistle to call out people who are saying something they don't like, as BaldProphet is doing above.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

You seem quite disturbed and angered by the fact that I would be disturbed and voice that worry if I saw a bunch of Nazis around.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

You have a poor grasp of the situation if that's how you're interpreting it.

[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

I don't believe it is reasonable, but as I said, I am surprised by how many people are unreasonably supportive of Hamas, despite otherwise priding themselves on being progressive forward-thinkers.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Probably because you're misinterpreting lack of support for Israel as support of Hamas.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

people literally calling Hamas "freedom fighters", and outright cheering them on.

You think most people here are like that? Most people seem to be appalled by what Hamas did on October 7th. Most people also seem to be appalled by Israel killing huge numbers of civilians.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, but i rarely see the latter, mostly former.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

There's no need to be defensive. I find both the IDF and Hamas detestable, and I've seen support for both here. There isn't a lot of pro IDF support, but I call it out still. Even a little bit is too much.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 10 months ago

Calling out someone lumping anti-oppression/anti-genocide with pro-hamas is defensive? That's the narrative pro-idf keep pushing.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

That's not what the person you were speaking to was saying. They were talking about people who were actually defending Hamas, not just criticizing Israel. They didn't lump the two together. The IDF and it's supporters love pushing that, but there's no need to automatically assume someone is on their side when they talk about seeing pro Hamas people.

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